Barack Obama's Pastor: The Epitome Of Racial Divisiveness
Oh This guy is nuts! Jeremiah Wright, Obama's Pastor is a RACIST!!! He blames America for getting attacked, he say's we have oppressed the Palestinians, blames Israel for them getting attacked and bombed every single day. These Videos are worth the watch! And they are short.
Jeremiah Wright
Louis Farrakhan
Jeremiah Wright/God D**n America
Obama A Closet Muslim?
Do you want someone who has been preached to by this guy to be your next President? I think NOT!
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In The Meantime Here Is A Post I Just Had To Crosspost From My Friend DD over at Our World As We See It
*Reverend Jeremiah Wright . Has Been Saying Things like "God D**n America" Long Enough!
In fact too damn long!
As much as I want to see Obama kick HerThighness’s ass, I’m getting sick and tired of hearing these Anti-American, Anti_Semitic rages coming from his "Pastor" I’m sick and tired of hearing his explanation for 9-11. And I’m sick and tired of him and/or anyone else that uses a church to spread hatred and fear After viewing the video of the sermon where Pastor Wright spoke in the vulgar and Anti-American way he did in the pulpit, I am just disgusted to think that Obama would allow his children to go to church and see that type of action in a place of god! Lets remember that this is the same Pastor that married Obama and Michele, the same Michele that has never seen anything good about America before in her lifetime.
This MOONBAT of a Pastor has the Audacity to speaks of the US government and how it did the black people wrong. So therefore, Obama BELIEVES in what this pastor says and he condones the actions and words of this Pastor Are we talking about American doing such wrongs to a Black man that he is now the favorite of getting the nomination for the Presidency? If this guy O’bambi don’t separate himself from this LUNATIC Pastor and fast, I’m telling you he’s toast.How could Obama sit in the church pew and listen to this crap for 20 years? Maybe hes deaf?
Do we want a person like this having access to the White House?*
I still say NO!!!!!
Do you want someone who has been preached to by this guy to be your next President? I think NOT!
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In The Meantime Here Is A Post I Just Had To Crosspost From My Friend DD over at Our World As We See It
*Reverend Jeremiah Wright . Has Been Saying Things like "God D**n America" Long Enough!
In fact too damn long!
As much as I want to see Obama kick HerThighness’s ass, I’m getting sick and tired of hearing these Anti-American, Anti_Semitic rages coming from his "Pastor" I’m sick and tired of hearing his explanation for 9-11. And I’m sick and tired of him and/or anyone else that uses a church to spread hatred and fear After viewing the video of the sermon where Pastor Wright spoke in the vulgar and Anti-American way he did in the pulpit, I am just disgusted to think that Obama would allow his children to go to church and see that type of action in a place of god! Lets remember that this is the same Pastor that married Obama and Michele, the same Michele that has never seen anything good about America before in her lifetime.
This MOONBAT of a Pastor has the Audacity to speaks of the US government and how it did the black people wrong. So therefore, Obama BELIEVES in what this pastor says and he condones the actions and words of this Pastor Are we talking about American doing such wrongs to a Black man that he is now the favorite of getting the nomination for the Presidency? If this guy O’bambi don’t separate himself from this LUNATIC Pastor and fast, I’m telling you he’s toast.How could Obama sit in the church pew and listen to this crap for 20 years? Maybe hes deaf?
Do we want a person like this having access to the White House?*
I still say NO!!!!!
Labels: Jeremiah Wright, Obama's Pastor
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 9:43 AM
72 Comments:
He is indeed certifiable, Marie!
If my pastor started spouting that we should include any part of Sharia Law into our church, my husband and I would walk out and never go back! Barrack Hussein Obama is indeed guilty because for him to remain in that church proves he is in agreement with this idiot's views!
Gayle,
This is insane!
Is this what it's come down to?
Now we have to put up (And I have mentioned this before on this blog) with the Nation of Islam, The New Black Panthers and of course Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton when they all get involved. And they will.
This Pastor is preaching HATE SPEECH!
No wonder Michelle Obama feels the way she does about our Country!
When I saw those vidoes, I literally could not believe it. I knew Obama's church was a little strange, but I didn't think it was that strange. Wright sounds like Jimmy Swaggart doing a really bad imitation of Jesse Jackson.
Danny,
It's time to pin Obama down to some answers about this guy among other things.
Obama has gotten a free ride from the media and this has got to stop!
Marie, the odd thing is that Obama has run a kind of "post-racial", if you will, campaign; one that has eschewed Rev. Wright's kind of rhetoric, even when addressing predominantly African-American audiences. He will have to address this more directly, I feel, especially if and when he is the nominee.
I wonder what your thoughts are about the Rev. John Hagee and his endorsement of John McCain, which McCain seems to have welcomed and embraced.
Incidentally, Wright IS right about the taxicabs.
He sounds a bit like Hillary, but with a better accent.
Phillip,
Are you the Phillip from Mike's?
I know Obama is trying to run a post-racial-divide kind of campaign but he is going to have to address questions about this goofball at some point.
As far as McCain, dont you mean Rev. Rod Parsley?
Phillip,
Ok I looked up John Hagee, and all I see there is he support's Israel?
So do I
I dont understand where you are going with this.
Obama's pastor has not appeared with him in any campaign events. Farrakhan has not appeared with Obama at any of his campaign events and Obama has not directly or indirectly reached out to him, formally nor informally. That is a non-issue. He simply has nothing to do with Farrakhan and his radical ideology. Obama has not sought the support of either of these men.
But...
McCain has actively sought the support ("greatly honored") of Pastor John C. Hagee who believes the following:
-Harry Potter books are "witchcraft"
-Hurrican Katrina was an act of God to punish the people of New Orleans
-Condemns homosexuality (funny, thinking of Foley and Craig...lol)
-believes Russia and the Islamic states will invade Israel and ultimately be destroyed by God
-that the disobedience of Jews brought on the Holocaust (yikes!)
-calling the Catholic church "The Great Whore" and "The Anti-Christ"
and suggesting that Hitler was a prime example of Catholicism
Not much to worry about with Obama...but McCain's got a new best-friend buddy who preaches nothing but hate!
But...Marie, you have a "far-right" blog which translates to "no need for truth"...so I'm not expecting any criticism of McCain for willingly and gladly accepting the support of Hagee...
Aarrgghh...the hypocrisy knows no boundaries!
Federalist,
I am beginning to get flattered here.
I must be your favorite little Far Right Republican that you love to come in and torment lol
I went and looked up that guy Hagee, and I didnt see any of the stuff you mentioned is there any way you can provide me with a link to this nonsense?
If he did say all that stuff (With the exception of Harry Potter) lol then yes I would like to see McCain distance himself from that kind of crap.
Just because I didnt see it doesnt mean it doesnt exist!
However,
That is a non-issue. He simply has nothing to do with Farrakhan and his radical ideology. Obama has not sought the support of either of these men.
Obama still attends the same church till this day, however it has been taken over by another pastor, I dont know if he is as radical as the Rev. Wright.
And Rev. Wright associates HIMSELF with Louis Farrakhan the biggest anti-white guy next to the New Black Panthers!
Watch these Video's and tell me this guy isnt completely INSANE!!
These element's of society are the ones that make it impossible for anyone to move past the racial divide when they keep stirring the pot!
Like Rev. Sharoton And Jackson, those two will continue to keep the racial divide up in this Country and it quite frankly makes me sick!
When I look at people that's what I see, people. Nothing more and nothing less.
However I can pretty much identify a Democrat because they have that far away look in thier eyes lol
But I still see people.
This anti-white, anti-semetic, anti-America, all white people are uncooth and the underbelly of the earth has got to stop sometime, and I think the time is NOW!
how much do ya wanna bet Marie all this venom and anti semitism and anti whiteism wont hurt his campaign one bit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will probably stop when BOTH sides agree that it has gone too far. The "country club" jokes, the water cooler jokes and slurs and so on...
All of that about Hagee is true. If I knew how to post links, I'd post several of them.
Also...this story is now hitting major news sources (except Fox News, due to the subject matter)
" Accounting scandal hits House GOP campaign committee"
Bottom line: GOP cash on hand for congressional election campaigning is currently at 5 million, Democrats at 35 million. That's not even close.
And the GOP is missing $740,000 of it! Ouch! Not another scandal!
Where was that link Marie that GOP is raising more funds??
Federalist,
You can post links by just copying and pasteing the URL of wherever you were at when you read the story.
However if it was Huffington Post just put Huffpo or some other idiotic name for her website, or someone at Daily Kooks, just put that.
Or whatever left wing website you get your information from, Jesus help you!
If it's news, trust me I'll post about it.
Where was that link Marie that GOP is raising more funds??
A few post's down :-)
You really need to know how to post links!
Since I like you even though you are a Democrat FOOL! I'll help ya!
Angel,
I dont know!
The more people that find out about Obama the more they will learn things they never knew!
Wright sounds like Jimmy Swaggart doing a really bad imitation of Jesse Jackson.
Lol.
Also...this story is now hitting major news sources (except Fox News, due to the subject matter)
Oh, brother! Yes, the same FOX News that broke the Bush drunk-driving record story, right before the 2000 Election.
As if CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, PBS don't tilt to the left.
I saw it on Bill O'Reilly last night. :)
I saw it on Hannity lastnight also :-)
Federalist,
I tried to cut and paste links but it doesn't work.
When are you guys going to give up the HuffyPo and DailyKos stuff? LOL...I really hate to disappoint you, that on my blog the depth of thought required is more than cutting and pasting a news article followed by typing 3-4 sentences which distort the truth even further.
Ok C'Mon how hard cant it be? You get on the link you have for this nonsense in your bar way up at the top it tells you where you are at!
You highlight the address (URL), push Command + C that cut's the link, you take it with you to MY site and push Command + V and that pastes it.
or you could use the entire address (URL) for instance:
http://www.idiotsareus.com
And type that in as a link.
If you cant do that I dont know what else to tell you.
You gave up a little to easy on the link thing which makes me thing YOU DONT HAVE ONE!!
HuffnPuff? Daily Kooks?
Well I hate to dissapoint YOU, but sometimes like this post for instance I do make my own post's about my own thought's but when it's a really important issue that I know no one is going to read the link I post the whole damn story to make sure they not only read at least some of the story, but hopefully all of it.
Sometimes I use snips of stories, sometimes I dont use stories at all, and sometimes I use most of the story, but I ALWAY'S leave a link as to where I got the story to begin with.
And when writing a story I add where I have snipped part of the article. So your point is moot.
Then sometimes I crosspost stories, like I did down below on this post, with my friends when I like thier stories and want to add more than just a link. But I dont think you have been blogging long enough to know what the hell I'm talking about anyway.
You do things your way and I'll do things MINE!
Hagee preaches that "the disobedience of Jews brought on the Holocaust"...that's not hate speech? Gassing, burning and executing over 6 million Jews, and they brought it on themselves?
What a kind soul that pastor must be...perhaps he's "misunderstood"?
LOL...wow.
Prove it!
When I looked the guy up I didnt see any of that, and if it were true, the left wing media would have been allllll over it by now!
Then again you wont provide me with a link I can check out so how will I ever know?
I know one thing, Obama's Pastor is anti-semetic, full of hate speech, said we ourselves brought on 9-11, Hell I'm surprised the guy didnt blame the people of Oklahoma City for the Alphred P. Murrah Federal Building Bombingin 1995!
Obama has blasted the views of this pastor who is retiring from his church, denounced them and rejected them. But that probably won't be enough for the right-wing hitmen.
McCain instead is happy to have Hagee's support.
HUGE DIFFERENCE! LOL...
Well actually NO that wont be good enough, he denounces then NOW that everyone has found out about all this (Which is only the tip of the Iceburg) but he and his wife when the Rev. Wright started spewing Hate Speech should have gotten up, walked out, and never come back again!
Obama decides to talk to Fox News NOW, but where were they during the Democrat Debates? Hmmmm
P.S. why do I keep posting on a blog where facts and truth are avoided like the plague?
I provide my fact's and truths, I cant say the same for you, but maybe it's because you love me? lol Or you just like to argue!
Obama has blasted the views of this pastor who is retiring from his church, denounced them and rejected them. But that probably won't be enough for the right-wing hitmen.
McCain instead is happy to have Hagee's support.
HUGE DIFFERENCE! LOL...
There is a huge difference: McCain's met Hagee....how many times? Once? Twice? And Obama's had Wright as his close "spiritual advisor" for over 20 years and told reporters before that “anything particularly controversial” about Wright. And now you're saying he's denouncing and disassociating himself to Wright? Gee....I'm sure he's doing this just now from a pincipled position of disagreement with Wright's views. Ya think?!?
Good grief! Obama’s second best-selling autobiography “Audacity of Hope” and 2004 Democratic National Convention keynote speech was inspired by one of Wright’s sermons titled “Audacity of Hope.” And there you go, like the partisan-seeker (not truth-seeker) that you are, shilling for the man of hope and change. Good try!
Just better luck next time.
...why do I keep posting on a blog where facts and truth are avoided like the plague?
Yeah, I can't understand why you keep doing that. Try to stop reading huffypo and daily kos they're no good for the brain, as if that isn't obvious.
J_G,
Awww...I love to disappoint you. Jealousy (envy) is one of the seven deadly sins.
Just because Rush and Hannity are your mouthpieces, you are wanting me to stoop to your level. You need me to steal talking points from a far-left, synthetic intellectual publication so that you can attempt to place us in your category of unoriginal thought. To descend to your level of intellect would be the greatest disservice to God and to those who so freely gave their guidance and time to me during my journey.
Sorry J_G. You can continue to borrow shamelessly those talking points of Dumb (Rush) and Dumber (Hannity) and I'll stick to creating those of my own.
I really believed you to be different J_G. Way back when, I read one of your posts and thought it to be original and thought-provoking. What an anomaly! You are addicted to hearing, "Folks, let me interpret this for you..." LOL...wow...what control they have over you and your mind!
You can break away from that at any time, if you choose to.
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So am I to understand that Federalist believes it's fine for a pastor to say "God Damn America"? I guess so. That tells me all I need to know about him. Even if I weren't insulted by this nutjob cursing our country I would be horrified at a supposed man of God using God's name in vane. Wright is no "man of God" because real men of God would never, ever do that. Martin Luther King was a man of God. Wright comes from the opposite end of the equation!
Marie, the first video showing Pastor Wright's ungodly rant has been removed from You Tube, so it doesn't work on your page anymore. Someone obviously doesn't want us to see it. Methinks it's too late! LOL!
The Obamas didn't sit there 20 years and not learn the lessons of hate spewed from this racist minister's pulpit. Michelle has already given us a hint about how she fells about America. Now we know where has been getting this crap from.
Now we know why he refused to wear an American Flag pin on his lapel Or salute the Flag during the playing of the National Anthem.
Obama, and his “I’’ve never been proud of America before” Wife and his Children, have been sitting there in the Nut Job Wright’’s Church for over 20 years and NEVER heard him spew the anti American anti Semitic language before? Are you kidding me or are you smoking that crap so early in the morning?
Michelle Obama has already told us how she has felt about America all her life. And now Barack Hussein has the nerve to tell us that he has never heard any of that stuff. Give me a break don’t take us for complete morons! Does Nut Job Jeremiah Wright pick the days when he knows that Barack Hussein is not going to be there to give those hatful and inflammatory sermons? He knew damn well what was going on there. He’’s just putting on the amnesia act. Well sorry buddy, I’m not that fricken naive. Barack Hussein knows Wright well enough to call him his mentor and his close friend as well as his Pastor, how can you not know what he believe in and how can you be one of his followers if you don’t know these things?
This Nut-Job didn’t preach like a typical Preacher, this lunatic shouted and ranted and raved and pounded the podium so loud that it would have been impossible for the whole Obama family to be sleeping through it.
There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING in Obama's record, in word for deed, that indicates he agrees with the over-the-top rhetoric of his pastor.
People who don't like Obama, or who don't want to see him as the Democratic nominee, and perhaps president, have latched onto this unfortunate incident as proof of something amiss in Obama's character.
Are you familiar with Martin Luther? The man who is responsible for the Reformation, and whose name is attached to a very large Protestant denomination?
He was one of the most virulent anti-Semites in history. And this wasn't some youthful aberration. He vehemently spoke against the Jews all his life and encouraged that hatred--even their annihilation when he realized they would not convert to Christianity!
And yet there are thousands and thousands of people who proudly call themselves Lutherans.
They've been able to take the positive things Luther was about (the reformation of the then corrupt Catholic Church) and leave his vile anti-Semitic preaching behind.
I see this as a parallel with Obama and his pastor.
Would you suspect that all Lutherans are cryptic anti-Semites because the founder of their religion was one of the worst anti-Semites in history?
Think about it.
Joanne said... "There is absolutely nothing, NOTHING in Obama's record, in word for deed, that indicates he agrees with the over-the-top rhetoric of his pastor."
Do ya want to buy the Brooklyn Bridge?
Grat jog on this blogging Marie and Kudos to DD2
Sorry for the bad spelling, I was in a hurry
Obama is as full of it as they come.How could anyone sit in a church for 20 years and not hear what is being said?
Great job on this blog Marie and Kudos to DD2
Gayle,
Thank's for the heads up!
I fixed them both as best I could!
All the videos should be working now.
Silence Me? I dont think so.
Thank's You Guy's :-)
DD2 Debonaire Dude,
This is what Pastor Wright has said:
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing God Bless America. No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon which was aired by ABC television."
Please give me an example with the proper link where Senator Obama has said statments just like this about the US, or has acted in an inflammatory way to divide this country.
What you people are conveniently forgetting is that THOSE ARE HIS PASTOR'S WORDS, not Obama's.
Like the Lutheran example I cited above and that DD2 ignores because he/she has no rebuttal, not everything his Pastor has done has been bad.
If you all don't condemn the Lutherans for being members of a denomination whose founder was a virulent hater of the Jews and advocated their murder, then you all look like hypocrites in condemning Obama for things his Pastor said.
Martin Luther, who started the Reformation, is the spiritual leader of Protestanism--he started it all--he also preached hatred and even death to the Jews.
Does that make every Protestant an advocate of Martin Luther's vile preachings?
If it doesn't then neither does Pastor Wright's crazy talk.
There's no logical way around this.
If you believe that Obama must be responsible for what his Pastor has said, then every Protestant in this country, and especially the Lutherans, are responsible for the Holocaust, since Hitler used Martin Luther's incendiary sermons about the Jews to justify his Final Solution.
You can't have it both ways.
Joanne, You want rebuttal? I’ll give you rebuttal!
First of all, please don’t tell me about what Hitler or Martin Luther said or didn’t say. I don't need a history lesson.
We are talking about today and about America and about the Future President of the United States of America.
You said ” What you people are conveniently forgetting is that THOSE ARE HIS PASTOR'S WORDS, not Obama's.”
Can you not see that if Obama sat their and listened to that CRAP and held this NUT-JOB up as HIS Advisor, his counselor and his Mentor and as his close friend. And now we hear that he was even an adviser to his campaign that he had to agree with the crap the Rev was spewing, he sat there and listed to those hatful and inflammatory sermons? He knew damn well what was going on there,
You either agree with him, and stay, or disagree, and find another church. It's that easy!
You don’t belong to a church that you disagree with...So YES! He may not be responsible for what his Pastor has said, but he sure is in sync with them. NO question. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind to see it any other way. Did you ever hear the term, guilty by association...... If Obama wasn't a follower he wouldn't have had this crazy guy so involved with his life for 20 years!
Is this the kind of people you want in charge of America? Regardless of what Obama says. . By his simple affiliation with him Obama is condoning what Wright says, and by condoning it he is agreeing with it.
Guilty by association?
Well, with that said, then McSame is in bed with Hagee and BELIEVES TO HIS CORE EVERY SINGLE BELIEF HAGEE HAS!
NO QUESTIONS ASKED! YOU EITHER AGREE AND ACCEPT HIS SUPPORT OR YOU DISAGREE AND DENOUNCE AND REJECT HIS SUPPORT! Ooops...McSame has not denounced nor rejected his support, but rather is "honored by it".
FYI...not one document in our country's history states that you place your hand on your heart during the National Anthem...
FYI Part 2
Michelle Obama did not say, "I've never been proud of America before"...if you're going to quote someone, be factual...crap! I'm sorry Double D...you're one of them, you don't need facts or truth. Disregard this part.
FYI Part 3:
I'm really disappointed Double D. You actually go to 7-Eleven and buy those $1.29 American Flag lapel pins and that makes you patriotic...??? Funny thing is, they're made in China.
You're a real Davey Crockett ;-)
Marie,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hagee
Doubt it will open, you'll have to cut and paste it in the browser. I can't make the links appear so you can click and they open...not so technologically savvy yet.
Obama's pastor just made those remarks about Hillary and about 9-11...last week. Obama has already vehemently rejected him and his views as well as dismissed him.
Obama clearly stated that he has disagreed with the pastor, now and in the past, but remained a member out of respect for the venue of his marriage as well as the place in which his children were baptized.
Wait a second...baptized! That makes him Christian! OH NO! :-(
He's not Muslim...what are you going to do now? You don't have anything to attack?!
McSame still has not said one thing about Hagee and his appearance together holding hands on stage (look out everyone, this is how it starts...then it moves to airport bathrooms and "massages" in Colorado).
Ron Paul said EXACTLY the same thing as this pastor said and no one batted an eye (except for 9/11 Superhero Rudy Giuliani).
To think that our selective foreign policy in the Middle East has not fueled groups such as al-Qaeda is about as ignorant, stupid, naive and "head in the sand" as you can be.
But...
Before I sign off, let me be clear about my last statement. You see, right-wing nut jobs just interpreted that last sentence as this, "America deserved to be attacked on 9/11 and I love terrorists, especially al-Qaeda."
That's not what I said. I will repeat it for the uneducated and the lemming/spin Rush/Hannity crowds: our selective foreign policy in the Middle East has provoked groups like Hamas and al-Qaeda an easy recruiting tool and it fuels them with anger and hate which ultimately produce SENSELESS, HORRIFIC AND UNJUSTIFIED VIOLENCE AGAINST HUMANITY!
Whew! Making sure right-wing lemmings do not twist your words is a full-time job!
Condone: To overlook, forgive, or disregard (an offense) without protest or censure.
And this means "agree"?
Have you been awake during the last 48 hours Double D? Or have you been busy taking pictures of yourself again and sending them to other guys on the internet?
Obama has done the exact opposite of "condone".
Federalist I can’t argue with you...LMAO
you are much to intelligent, you use terms and words like
McSame, Double D, You're a real Davey Crockett, 7-Eleven American Flag lapel pins. But, thank you very much for your replying, I always deeply appreciate a graciousness, lucid and highly intelligent rebuttal, You certainly cleared up the current controversy.
As I said, Excellent rebuttal...Your post although blistering with anger and foolishness really made me see the light
our selective foreign policy in the Middle East has provoked groups like Hamas and al-Qaeda an easy recruiting tool and it fuels them with anger and hate which ultimately produce SENSELESS, HORRIFIC AND UNJUSTIFIED VIOLENCE AGAINST HUMANITY!
Straying off topic...
So if it weren't for America's foreign policy, all would be peaceful and right with the Middle East and the world? How much does America's foreign policy contribute to the problem in your estimation? What is al-Qaeda's end-goal/objective?
Is their reason regarding our military presence on the Arabian peninsula the actual cause for their violence in the world, or merely an excuse? Or both? What is the root, underlying cause for their hatred/violence?
federalist,
I'm extending an invitation to you, to comment over at FA, in Scott's post. I think you'll find it stimulating.
Why would I want to comment on his blog? Bush has already admitted that there was no link between Saddam and al-Qaeda. Is Scott suggesting that Bush is lying? (Don't tell Marie that or she'll bust out the "Zarqawi broken-leg hospital visit").
If the Pentagon is producing false reports, then I guess all of those reports of "foiled terrorist plots" are false, too?
All because the U.S. did not (supposedly) have a human intelligence person on the ground in Iraq, any and all reports on Iraq are false, according to Scott.
But the previous information was good enough to go to war on?
Just call it like it is: PNAC is your Bible. I don't agree with it, but at least you're being honest.
I did not say nor intuit that "if it weren't for America's selective foreign policy in the Middle East, all would be peaceful"...you said that.
But, I have forgotten your rock-solid theory: that al-Qaeda is capable of complete world domination, religiously and politically, with an abundant supply of RPG's,Toyota 4-Runners and curry chicken.
Have you seen that latest documentary to come out, outlining why the war in Iraq was justified and how there actually were WMD in Iraq?
Neither have I, because there isn't one.
Yes, Guilty by association. And we are talking about OBAMA here not McCain and not Nixon and not Bush. So don’t change the subject.--DD2
I'm not changing the subject, DD2, just applying your standards to Bush, as you've applied them to Obama.
Bush is guilty by association of encouraging homosexual sex and meth use. Ted Haggard was an advisor to him, therefore, by your logic, Bush is guilty by association.
Sorry. Try as you may. You can't apply your twisted logic only to the Democrats. It applies equally as well to the Republicans who associate with their own brand of sickos.
"In conservative evangelical Christian circles, Haggard was one of the rising stars; the heir apparent of folks likes Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell and Dobson. In 2005, then NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw profiled Haggard in a series on mega-churches. In addition, the pastor was also listed by Time magazine as one of the 25 most influential Evangelicals in America last year.
Haggard is well-connected politically, having often met with President Bush and his staff at the White House. Harper's contributing editor Jeff Sharlet pointed out that "No pastor in America holds more sway over the political direction of evangelicalism than does Pastor Ted."
In a Wall Street Journal story dated August 13, 2004, Haggard told reporter Elizabeth Bernstein that he participates in "a weekly conference call...that's led by Tim Goeglein, the White House's liaison to the conservative community, and includes prominent religious leaders. 'We have direct access,'" Haggard told Bernstein. "I can call [Mr. Goeglein], he'll take my concern to the president and get back to me in 24 hours."
According to Haggard, "The weekly conference call with the White House" allows him to give the administration "the pulse of the evangelical world."
This is what an advisor does. Talks with someone on a weekly basis and give him "the pulse of the evangelical world."
First of all, please don’t tell me about what Hitler or Martin Luther said or didn’t say. I don't need a history lesson.
We are talking about today and about America and about the Future President of the United States of America.--DD2
Sorry. You can't weasel out so easily, DD2. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You absolutely cannot win this argument by discounting what I've said--unless you want to use logical fallacy, which you seem to do, and which makes your assertions null and void, no matter how loudly you insist on them.
If you find Obama guilty by association with an out of control Pastor, then Bush is guilty by his association with Haggard and so is every Protestant on this earth guilty by association with the anti-Semite, Pastor Martin Luther.
You cannot pick and choose who gets to be called guilty. If it applies to one, it applies to all.
Why would I want to comment on his blog?
Because at one time, I figured you to be an intellectually curious and bright fellow, interested in searching for the truth, rather than behaving like you know everything; and that anything that doesn't fit your model, must be "truthiness" and falsehoods.
Bush has already admitted that there was no link between Saddam and al-Qaeda.
Please provide me a direct quote. Context and phrasing is everything.
If the Pentagon is producing false reports, then I guess all of those reports of "foiled terrorist plots" are false, too?
See, this is what you get for not paying attention. The Pentagon's study is not false, sir. The journalists who don't even bother to read the actual report, and who base their statements on previous suppositions, building it upon a foundation of "wrong" beliefs to draw further false conclusions, are the ones who have it wrong. Seriously, go read the exclusive summary portion of the report. That alone does not jive with the way it's being reported by the news media. I don't think the bias is necessarily intentional on their part; just lazy and sloppy journalism, basing their current opinions upon previous accepted truths, that really aren't.
All because the U.S. did not (supposedly) have a human intelligence person on the ground in Iraq, any and all reports on Iraq are false, according to Scott.
You truly are speaking from a position of ignorance here. Please take the time to be open-minded, and do some better research into Scott's writings, before you so casually dismiss him. The man is a Democrat. He's come to the conclusions that he has, because he spends an inordinate amount of time pouring over Intell reports. Not just reading what the newspapers cherrypick from those reports.
I did not say nor intuit that "if it weren't for America's selective foreign policy in the Middle East, all would be peaceful"...you said that.
That is why I framed my comment around questions, giving you the benefit of the doubt and an opportunity to clarify yourself.
But, I have forgotten your rock-solid theory: that al-Qaeda is capable of complete world domination, religiously and politically, with an abundant supply of RPG's,Toyota 4-Runners and curry chicken.
Nice...give two-line zingers to cover up for a lack of intellectual honesty in addressing me and my beliefs.
Just assume that Hannity and O'Reilly are my heroes, that I get all of my news from Faux and friends, Newsmax, Rush, and Coulter.
Assume all of that, and you really don't know me, do you?
Neither have I, because there isn't one.
Enjoy the pictures, federalist.
What we didn't find are the stockpiles we thought Saddam had. What we did find were still in violation:
WMDs in Iraq Recovered as of 2004 (unclassified version)
Nuclear:
* 1.95 tons of enriched uranium
* 1000 banned radioactive sources (cesium and other isotopes)
* 16 drums of yellowcake from Al-Qaim extraction plant
* An undisclosed rail gun system used to test nuclear detonations. Iraq developed this in secret in 1999. The gun was built at Al-Tahadi. It, along with 500 tons of natural uranium wsa found south of Baghdad in 2003.
Biological Agents.
* Live C. botulinum Okra B (makes batulinum toxin: 1 gram kills 10,000) found hidden in Iraqi Biological Weapon’s Scientist’s home.
* Discovered, continued, out-lawed and concealed, research on Brucella, Congo Crimean Hemorragic Fever (CCHF), ricin, and aflatoxin. None of this was declared to the UN even after 12 years of sanctions.
* Ricin discovered in Sargat, Iraq along with hidden sacks of castor beans (labeled as “fertilizer”) in al-Aziziyah.
* Human testing facilities (prisons) for BW agents.
* Mobile labs for BW agents buried in the desert. 11 found in Karbala.
* Mulitple small fixed BW sites/labs which the UN never knew about.
Chemical
* Multiple attacks against US troops using Mustard and Sarin gas filled shells
* Multiple attacks by terrorists against Iraqi civilians using chlorine gas
* Cyanide labs found in “Safe Houses” in fallujah
* 5,000 Lbs/2,268KG of Cyanide found in Taji (total cyanide as of 2004 was 2,370 Kg or 2.4 million leathal doses)
* Various Chemical Weapons Labs
That's not even a complete list, federalist. Nor were wmds the whole basis for why Saddam needed to be removed from power.
And based upon what we have since found out, I believe that Saddam did pose a threat to the world, and that it was only a matter of time before that threat metasticized into something that would cost us more than the lives currently lost in Iraq.
Wordsmith,
Please tell us how Saddam was going to use those putative WMDs to attack the United States.
Since the only reason to invade a country is if it posed a clear and present danger, please tell me in detail how Iraq was going to deliver the WMDs to the US.
Many, many countries on this planet stockpile the WMDs you've indicated. Should we invade them, too?
Again. I want to know exactly how the supposed WMDs that Iraq supposedly had were going to be used against us.
Please give me evidence. Not wild assumptions that you heard from Limbaugh and Hannity.
I want to know the clear and present danger.
thank you.
Since the only reason to invade a country is if it posed a clear and present danger, please tell me in detail how Iraq was going to deliver the WMDs to the US.
Many, many countries on this planet stockpile the WMDs you've indicated. Should we invade them, too?
Many, many countries haven't still been at war with us, Joanne (Saddam believed he was still at war with us). Did we ever sign a peace treaty with him, after the first Gulf War? Again, was the war only about wmd stockpiles? What were the cases put forth, against Saddam's regime?
Again. I want to know exactly how the supposed WMDs that Iraq supposedly had were going to be used against us.
What does the new Pentagon Report prove, Joanne? Was Saddam a state-sponsor of terror? Was he capable of working with Islamic holy warriors, for mutual goals?
Did President Bush isolate "al-Qaeda" as the sole group we were going after? Or did he not make a declaration of war against (Islamic) terror, and those states who collaborated with, and gave safe harbor and training to such terrorists? Are the boundaries that distinguishes al-Qaeda from other terror groups fixed, or do those boundaries between differing groups sometimes dissolve and cross-over?
Please give me evidence. Not wild assumptions that you heard from Limbaugh and Hannity.
Oh, Joanne....that's so beneath you.
Please give me evidence on my blog where I cite from Limbaugh or Hannity. Thank you.
* Saddam violated the Gulf War Cease Fire protocols continuously for 12 years. That is 12 YEARS of diplomacy, sanctions, limited bombings, threats of more land actions, more failed diplomacy, more threats, and more of Saddam thumbing his nose at the world while he illegally rearmed. A “Cease Fire” is not a peace treaty. Legally, the US could have responded at any time.
* Saddam, and many others, violated the “oil for food program” to the tune of billions of dollars/euros. This included untouchable high level members of the UN.
* Saddam, very publicly, financed terrorists in Palestine and had contacts with Al Qaeda. These include meetings with known operatives in the Czech Republic (confirmed by Czech internal security forces, and not retracted), the Salmon Pak (South of Baghdad) and the Ansar al-Islam (northern Iraq area- yes, in Kurdish territory, but not under their control, but Saddam's) terrorist training camps (One of them held a painting of the WTC burning while Saddam smoked a cigar).
* Provided medical aid and training for Al Qaeda as they fled the Afghan area. A case in point is the confession by Al Qaeda terrorists captured in Jordan (2004) when they attempted to conduct a WMD attack (Sarin/VX gas and other chemicals:20 tons total, w/explosives: see links) in Amman, Jordan. These terrorists told the story of how they escaped Afghanistan, fled to Iraq, followed the convoys hauling goods out of Iraq before the Coalition invasion (remember those? The media doesn’t and they reported them), and ended up in the Becca Valley with the WMDs and Iraqi forces, working for a man named Zarqawi. The Iraqis were STILL dealing with Taliban thugs in Baghdad when Chris G of Flopping Aces was deployed there in early 2007.
* Openly defied UN resolutions, many with use of force clauses.
* Even during their final inspection in 2003, the UN teams were still finding MORE chemical weapons systems that Iraq “forgot” to document. Also included in the same report was two Iraqi surface to surface missile systems which greatly exceeded the range limitation stipulated by the cease fire (UN report titled: s-2003-232 :Twelfth quarterly report of the Executive Chairman of the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission in accordance with paragraph 12 of Security Council resolution 1284 (1999))
* Continued attacks on Coalition aircraft patrolling the Iraqi agreed upon No-Fly Zones. Attacking US aircraft is an act of war.
* Sorties by MIG-25RB Aircraft into the southern No-Fly Zone (how he got those and maintained them with “sanctions” in place is a really good question). Entering the No-Fly Zone is an act of war.
* Attempted to assassinate a former US President.
* Provided aid and comfort to terrorists retreating from Afghanistan.
* Aided in the first attack on the World Trade Center through proxy and direct supply of Sarin components. This too is an act of war.
* Saddam had intimate knowledge of 9-11-01. His state-run media printed warnings that the US would be hit in the “arm that was hurting”, a reference to New York City. He also put his entire armed forces (refitted with NEW tanks) on alert days prior to 9-11.
* Saddam had WMDs. Every nation consulted (France, UK, Russia) and the UN all agreed he had them. Democrats on the Intelligence Committee sated he had them throughout the 1990s. Saddam boasted of fooling the inspectors in the 90s. We attacked him several times with aircraft and missiles in the 90s. Clinton even ordered the commencement of “Operation Desert Fox” to punish Iraq for non-compliance with inspectors. No one complained then.
* WMDs have been found all over Iraq. Usually in smaller amounts, but this is to be expected with the amount of warning Saddam had of the invasion.
What's not to understand, here?
Faux guy said...Sorry J_G. You can continue to borrow shamelessly those talking points of Dumb (Rush) and Dumber (Hannity) and I'll stick to creating those of my own.
I've only seen one person here cut and paste someone else's thoughts and refer to them as fact. It's you Faux guy, you. I haven't read and original thought from you yet.
I don't bother going to your blog, if I want read the facts you use I can go over a get it straight from the horse's mouth instead of reading your take on their words. You should be embarrassed to write such pap.
I read every paper that's available here on the East Coast just about every day including The Wall Street Journal, NYT/Boston Globe Philadelphia Inquirer, Baltimore Sun Times, WaPo, Washington Times(not so much because of availability) Investors Business Daily and The Financial Times. I get all these papers delivered to me free every day and I read them, do the crossword or toss them in the can if I'm not in the mood to read. I do make sure when I get my hands on the IBD I read it front to back because I don't get it everyday. The Arts section of the New York Times is my favorite section of any of the papers.
Blogging with people like yourself is a tedious affair and takes up too much of my precious time and it's not worth while to discuss things with you because of your limited knowledge on the subjects at hand.
I'm usually too busy to explain things to people like yourself because it makes little difference anyway. You have no understanding of the consequences of the issues at hand because of your limited information and your hindered intellectual capabilities. Stating your uninformed points only demonstrates your lack of knowledge and comprehension to me and the others here that do have an understanding of such complex issues we must deal with.
C'mon Joanne. You know the answer to your own question. The terrorists could have obtained chemical and biological weapons from Saddam Hussein and attacked Israel, Europe and America using a number of different delivery platforms. Taker ships coming from the middle east could have been loaded with Chemical or biological weapons and sailed into any major port and released such weapons to kill and injure hundreds of thousands and affected the lives of millions. In the days after 9/11 there still wasn't much security at our ports to speak of because of the lackadaisial attitude towards security from 8 years of the Clinton admin. There was vitually none at European ports either. Suicide bombers intent on killing Israelis would have been fairly simple with a couple of explosive chemical weapons aboard commercial jet liners. Saddam Hussein was already paying the families of suicide bombers to kill Israelis. How much more of step would it have been to load chemicals in a plane and crash it into Tel Aviv or Haifa? You already know all of this though.
Obama isn't guilty from association. He is part of the racial hatred industry that the race baiters and race mongers like his Pastor Wright, Louis Farrakhan, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are all part of. I watched the interview with Major Garret last night and Obama is lying through his teeth.
Obama knew full well about the hatemongering going on in his church. If he didn't know how can we expect him to a President that is aware of his surrounding and make sound judgements when he doesn't even recognize the whole congregation and not just the Pastor is involved in such racial hatred.
Watch the videos of Pastor Wright giving his seroms and see all of the people standing up acknowleging the hate filled speech he is spewing. There is no way Obama can say he didn't know and approve of such things, it's impossible. I go to a church too and even though I don't make it there every Sunday I know what is going on and I know what the sermon was about the Sunday I missed. You see every church has a tenor to it and it's set by the Pastor, he is the leader of the flock. If you don't know what the Pastor is all about you don't go there very often or you're not paying attention. I don't believe Obama is so scatter brained he didn't know what was going on and only people that don't go to church on regular basis can ridicously say Obama didn't know what was going on at his church.
Joanne said... Bush is guilty by association of encouraging homosexual sex and meth use. Ted Haggard was an advisor to him, therefore, by your logic, Bush is guilty by association.
You say you are NOT changing the Subject, then how the heck did Bush get into this comment?
I thought the SUBJECT was Obama and HIS Pastor, not Bush, Not Nixon, Not Martin Luther and Not Hitler.
And you are NOT changing the subject.
I'm waiting for Ollie North to get into your comment next.
Go for it.
Libs are notorious for changing the Subject!....LOL
And I was always told that the Republican Party was the party of RACIST'S..
I guess that's the end of THAT mythology!
One last time, DD2, you said this about Obama:
"By his simple affiliation with him Obama is condoning what Wright says, and by condoning it he is agreeing with it."
You say that Obama's affiliation with Wright means he condones and agrees with what Wright says, in other words, Obama is guilty by association.
(By the way. Wright has not broken any laws. We have the right to say anything we want in this country, even if that means to criticize this country.)
Now, stay with me, does that "guilt by association" apply ONLY to Obama, and not to any other human being who has ever been affiliated with a controversial or unsavory character?
Because if you say it does, then you have no credibility.
You say that Obama's affiliation with a controversial and unsavory character means he condones and agrees with it, but anyone else who has been affiliated with a controversial or unsavory character (like, for example, Bush and Ted Haggard, who BTW, broke laws by trafficking in meth and using a male prostitute.) is not guilty by association.
I brought Bush in to show you how silly your argument is.
People are NOT guilty by association (unless a crime is involved). People are guilty by their DEEDS.
Let me put this in another way. Say I was to associate myself with someone who has a terrible temper, and says wild-assed, crazy things, sometimes he even criticizes the country he lives in when he's on a out-of-control diatribe, and I don't agree with him on those matters, but on the other hand, I like the fact that he plays piano beautifully, he's very, very good to his mother and father, and he helps support an orphan in a third world country.
BY YOUR LOGIC AND BY YOUR WORDS, I am guilty of saying terrible things about my country--when in fact, I haven't uttered a word.
Sorry. You can't win that argument.
I'm done with this.
Joanne, You are right, I can't win this argument, and I'm no longer going to try..
I guess you are also right on saying that I don’t have any credibility, who can argue with a genius like you?
I’d be a fool to attempt to. I’d rather deal with Darwin's concept of evolution.
Like the kool-aid drinking person I am give me my American Idol television show and I’m happy, I won’t even attempt to try to convince a knowledgeable intellectual person like yourself. You have all the answers, even before the questions or question has been asked . So at some point I will just have to deal with the fact that you are right. Congratulation, you won. Now take your Hero, the arrogant Barack Hussein Obama and be happy with him and stop annoying me.
Because I'm too polite to tell you I don't care..
Wordsmith,
I simply can't believe you're throwing the Cheney, "a top Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta in Prague" story.
Wow...you're grasping.
"limited bombings", LOL...more bombs were dropped on Iraq during Clinton's presidency than in BOTH Bush I and Bush II presidency.
Saddam had "very public relationships with al-Qaeda"...where do you get this? And please don't refer me to someone's blog. Are you making this up? Marie does this, too.
And in your previous post, I love the pictures you posted from Powell's trip to the UN. Aren't those the same ones that were doctored to show...well, the U.S. intelligence claims that didn't even know what they were looking at.
If I had a dime for every occasion where someone claims to have a friend who served in Iraq and that friend either knows where the WMD are and/or has other top-secret information, I could fund the war for one day (12 billion dollars).
Unbelievable...let's call it this. It's an unjustified war but if you are looking to build an empire based on oil, this was a great start. This has nothing to do with terrorism. Why didn't we invade prior to 9/11?
Wow,
You little buggers sure know when to sneak in here dont you?
Back to the Fact's
This whole thing explains why Obama doesnt put his hand over his heart when the Pledge Of Allegiance is being spoken, this also explains why Obama doesnt wear an American Flag Lapel Pin, this whole thing explains alot about the way Obaba acts.
Guilt by association? Yes!
Guilt by also sitting in the pews while this hate speech was going on for the last 20 years? You Bet!
Obama is NOT going to get out of this by saying "I wasnt aware this kind of speech was being spoken"!
Not when he has been a member and has attanded this church for the last 20 years!
There is more to come on this I betcha!
Oh yeah, and Oprah Winfry diassociated herself with this church back in 1990 when this guy was going way over the top.
Anyone who listened to the following quotes and who remained active in the church and with the pastor who spoke these words proves he or she is in agreement with, as your commentor, gayle, upthread put it, "this idiot's views!"
"AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals."
I wonder if this idiot would say that to Mary Cheney's face.
"Billy Graham is the chief servant of Satan in America."
One of the most respected Christians in America, and the man most responsible for getting George W. Bush to give up alcohol and drugs and turn his life over to Jesus Christ.
"Homosexuality is Satan's diabolical attack upon the family that will not only have a corrupting influence upon our next generation, but it will also bring down the wrath of God upon America."
Again, I wonder if he would say that to the the Cheney family, or any family who loves their homosexual relatives.
"I am such a strong admirer and supporter of George W. Bush that if he suggested eliminating the income tax or doubling it, I would vote yes on first blush."
And George W. Bush admired him, having invited him to the White House.
"If I were president of the United States, I would include Moslems in my presidency."
Well, that's awfully tolerant and Christian of him.
"I think the Moslem faith teaches hate."
Oops. He'd have a Moslem (whose faith teaches hate) in his presidency? A little crazy inconsistency here?
"If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."
Hello? Does this nutcase really want me to point out to him how excruciatingly moronic that statement is? Let's start with a favorite of the Right Wing: Joe Lieberman, a failure? Dwight David Eisenhower, who was a Jehova's Witness, a failure, Abraham Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson had no specific religious affiliation, two more failures. Albert Einstein, a failure, Mother Teresa, a failure, Pope John Paul II, a failure.
What an absolutely stupid, inflammatory statement that is.
But the craziest of all is the statement where this fire and brimstone, American-president-hating preacher BLAMES AMERICANS FOR 9/11. Imagine that:
"I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."
By now you've probably guessed the pastor who spewed this hate-filled, biased, and intolerance to other religious screed. The darling of the right wing Christians, Jerry Falwell.
Oh, and the still living preacher who was with Falwell the day he blamed Americans for 9/11 agreed wholeheartedly with Falwell:
PAT ROBERTSON: "Well, I totally concur..." --September 13, 2001
PS. That video of FOX news spreading its lies about Obama having been schooled in a madrassa has been thoroughly debunked for the lie that it was.
"But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.
He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."
Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.
"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."
Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."
"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."
The Obama aide described Fox News' broadcasting of the Insight story "appallingly irresponsible."
Fox News executive Bill Shine told CNN "Reliable Sources" anchor Howard Kurtz that some of the network's hosts were simply expressing their opinions and repeatedly cited Insight as the source of the allegations."
Source: http://tinyurl.com/2ktpjh
Joanne,
All of this other crap is moot,
The fact is the man preaches hate speech, Barack Hussein Obama has been a member of that church for 20 years and he know's damn good and well what Rev. Wright has been saying all along.
Lying is not Obama's strong suit! Bill Clinton is better at it.
If Oprah distanced herself from Rev. Wright 1n 1990 because he was to over the top for her, why didnt Obama?
It's out there Joanne, and it's got a life all it's own now.
Wordsmith,
I simply can't believe you're throwing the Cheney, "a top Iraqi intelligence officer met with Mohammed Atta in Prague" story.
Wow...you're grasping.
Actually, not really. I know it's supposedly a discredited story. But it's one of those that I think has been unresolved. And much is still classified on it.
And like a typical BDS sufferer, you ignore timelines and accuracy in favor of "gotcha" cherrypicked statements. Meet the Press 9/14/03:
VICE PRES. CHENEY: With respect to 9/11, of course you’ve had the story that’s been publicly out there: The Czechs alleged that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi intelligence official five months before the attack. But we’ve never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it. We just don’t know.
I have more here.
Rather than be so dismissive and snide, indulge me and enlighten me. Don't be such a pompous ass about everything.
Saddam had "very public relationships with al-Qaeda"...where do you get this? And please don't refer me to someone's blog.
I'll say it this time: You're an idiot.
I understand the need to be cautious about blogs (after all, anyone can just "make things up" and say whatever the hell they want). But if a blogpost links to its sources, then those sources can either discredit or validate the content of the blogpost. By your logic, nothing you say on your blog matters, because it's all BS.
Did you bother to read the actual Pentagon report that was supposed to be released last Wednesday? I've been going through it, and not reading what the McClatchy journalist said in his article. He didn't bother to read the actual report.
This has nothing to do with terrorism. Why didn't we invade prior to 9/11?
Clinton lacked the balls to enforce 12 years of 17 UN Resolution and the original cease fire agreement violations. He had the rhetoric and the hand-wringing down, though.
9/11 happened. You don't think that should have been a wake up call to how we deal with terrorism? You don't think Saddam was a state sponsor of Islamic terror?
Word,
That is the Federalist's specialty changing fact's to go right back to The War In Iraq lol
Which by the way seems to have left the front pages now that the war is almost won!
And he think's YOU are grasping? lol
Look at what has happened just in the last week?
Eliot Spitzer (D-NY), caught with a prostitude, Barack Obama's Preacher- Hate Speech Rev. Wright, Barack Obama's ties to the weather underground Terrorists, and now McGreevy's (D-NJ) ties to a 3 some with some page, his x-wife and himself.
The Democrat party is sick!
REALLY SICK!
Oh but go ahead, I just had to throw that in lol,
Carry On, someone needs to elighten Federalist he sure doesnt listen to me lol.
Marie, I have nothing more to say except that I'm laughing my ass off as well.....
Sick is right! And they are getting sicker.
You'd get a better response by talking to the wall.
This is crazy isnt it DD? LOL
But I am not going let them drift of point :-)
Word and Fed obviously have something I missed out on in the last few days, so let them have at it lol
Marie,
Can you get your story straight? Was it the Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem?
I'll help you. It was the National Anthem and you are not required, actually it's not written anywhere, that you place your hand over your heart...not even on a military base! If you have a hat on, you are suggested to remove it. Bottom line rules: stand at attention, face the flag and no talking to your Nascar buddy. The Pledge requires a hand over the heart.
Until you can document with video that Barack Hussein Obama attended that service on July 22, you have...well...nothing: a bunch of right-wing lunatic whiners who huddle around and tell each other lies until everyone nods in agreement.
You've got the RNCC tied to a major money-laundering scandal, gay senators having anonymous sex in a dirty airport bathroom and charged with a crime, senators on the take (Renzi and Stevens), senators caught in a prostitution ring in D.C....and this is going on TODAY, as I type!
You pull out scandals from 30 years ago, some NON-CONGRESSIONAL individuals who have exhibited awful behavior (but no crime) and you want to compare? LOL...there is no comparison! You guys win hands down. If you want to compare 200 + years, it's probably dead even. But since the Bush Crime Family took office, you guys are winning in a rout!
Marie, why can't you face it? Is it disappointment? Pride? Fear? Ego? Your party is letting you down and in the last 3 years they rule the Kingdom of Corruption!
Wordsmith,
I didn't read the Pentagon report that DIDN'T come out, did you ? I read the "9/11 Commission Report" which stated unequivocally that Saddam was not only NOT involved in 9/11 but that Iraq was NOT TIED to al-Qaeda. Are you suggesting that report is entirely fabricated?
The funding of suicide bombers is so old it's got a 56k modem attached to it. That story cropped up after 9/11 to paint Saddam even more of a villain to drum up support for the unjustified war in Iraq. It's called propaganda and many bought into it.
Wordsmith,
Is it me or do you recall Bush saying in days after 9/11 that we were going to get "those responsible for this cowardly act"? Why haven't we? If Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11 and was NOT conspiring with al-Qaeda, why are we there? If it's WMD or UN violations, why didn't we invade prior? (perhaps because an event like 9/11 would have given overwhelming support for an invasion?)
My perspective on war stems from reading Michael Walzer's book, "Just and Unjust Wars". I recommend you read that and then we can pick up the discussion and hopefully it will gravitate AWAY from PNAC, Czech Republic, Niger, uranium, Palestine and Zarqawi's leg.
Even with all of your friends and their blogs, their "facts" are never officially confirmed by any agency: news, government or other. Why would I want to read a blog which has facts cross-checked by another blog? Huh? And you guys bitch and moan about the "9/11 inside job" bloggers? I see no difference.
Why didn't Bush invade Saddam on January 22, 2001? He had another 9 months to plan it before 9/11. Hell, we planned post-combat Iraq occupation in 3 weeks...that's a fact!
J_G,
You're still bitter that I don't borrow shamelessly from anyone. I am envious that I don't have any Navy comrades like you have, from whom you gather most of your material. It's okay. When you grow up, you can have big people thoughts and ideas, too. And then you won't have to plagiarize like a 7th grader doing a book report on Charlotte's Web.
All of those publications for free, all of the crossword puzzles...and still not an original thought! I would cancel my subscription...or stop stealing them from the neighbor on the right and go for the neighbor on the left.
Just a suggestion.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
Learn a foreign language and read a paper not printed in this country.
Buon lavoro e divertiti!
Federalist,
Marie,
Can you get your story straight? Was it the Pledge of Allegiance or the National Anthem?
I'll help you. It was the National Anthem and you are not required, actually it's not written anywhere, that you place your hand over your heart...not even on a military base! If you have a hat on, you are suggested to remove it. Bottom line rules: stand at attention, face the flag and no talking to your Nascar buddy. The Pledge requires a hand over the heart.
I dont give a rats ass which one it was, The Pledge Or the Anthem, by Barack Hussein Obama not putting his hand over his heart during either one is disrespectful, required or not.
Nascar Buddy? Oooooooo the more you guy's are sinking into the tank the more hostile you get 'eh? LOL!
You pull out scandals from 30 years ago, some NON-CONGRESSIONAL individuals who have exhibited awful behavior (but no crime) and you want to compare? LOL...there is no comparison! You guys win hands down. If you want to compare 200 + years, it's probably dead even. But since the Bush Crime Family took office, you guys are winning in a rout!
Oh Brother are you ever grasping now LOL.
You have Obama and his hate speech Preaching Pastor, Obama's ties to Terrorist's in the Weather Underground, Spitzer Caught with his pant's down "Literally" and McGreevy's past page claiming he had a three some with McGreevy his X-Wife and the page. And that was all in one week! LMMFAO!
Marie, why can't you face it? Is it disappointment? Pride? Fear? Ego? Your party is letting you down and in the last 3 years they rule the Kingdom of Corruption!
My party is letting me down? LMMFAO! While your party is bickering about what they are going to do about the votes already cast in Florida and Michigan, and seating the delegates, and who is ever going to be the Nominee, My candidate is already out there getting his message across to the voters, and visiting the Troops in Iraq!
McCain is on the Home Plate while your party hasnt even left First Base!
LOL, You Kill me Fed, nice try with that one oh brother!
Well, guess what Marie? The Obama/Pastor story, unfortunately for the right-wing fascist party, may soon be going away.
When you get your news from Newsmax, as most right-wing lunatics do, this is what you get; an apology from William Kristol after inventing facts and perpetuating false stories:
Kristol Admits Another Error -- This One on Obama Smear
NEW YORK Bill Kristol, columnist for The New York Times, had to offer another correction today.
Kristol wrote in today's column, in attempting to debunk Sen Barack Obama's denial that he was ever present when his Chicago pastor made some of his most "offensive" remarks: "But Ronald Kessler, a journalist who has written about [Rev. Jeremiah] Wright’s ministry, claims that Obama was in fact in the pews at Trinity last July 22. That’s when Wright blamed the 'arrogance' of the 'United States of White America' for much of the world’s suffering, especially the oppression of blacks. In any case, given the apparent frequency of such statements in Wright’s preaching and their centrality to his worldview, the pretense that over all these years Obama had no idea that Wright was saying such things is hard to sustain."
He did not identify Kessler as writing for a conservative Web site NewsMax, and that Kessler had a single source.
Marc Ambinder at theatlantic.com, and others, quickly charged "error," pointing out that Obama was in Miami campaigning on the day in question. The Obama campaign verified this.
Now Kristol has admitted his error, posting at the end of his column on the Times' site: "In this column, I cite a report that Sen. Obama had attended services at Trinity Church on July 22, 2007. The Obama campaign has provided information showing that Sen. Obama did not attend Trinity that day. I regret the error."
Kristol's column has been plagued by errors in its short run so far.
For his part, Kessler at Newsmax admits today that his source now has fallen away from his specific July 22 claim, saying, "he attended several services at Senator Obama's church during the month of July, including July 22," and can no longer be certain of which date he has written about.
What idiots! Good try Billy, stick to PNAC and Imperialism.
His message? Of what? 100 more years in Iraq? Being against Bush's tax cuts, then for them? What's next? Against torture, then for it? Is McCain even his real name? Wasn't he on the "A-Team" television series? Since the first 5 years have been so magical and have done so much, if we stay another 95 years at 12 billion a week, that would only be $13,680,000,000,000.00 (13.7 quadrillion)
I'm sure we would be a lot safer then. That money would be useless here at home. (after all, "we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here")
That type of "experience" is McSame's problem.
In a debate on Iraq, McCain has as much of a chance of winning as Bush does at a 6th grade spelling bee.
He should stick to the 3AM phone ad. Economy, education, health care and the war are not safe topics.
Besides Obama NOT being present when his pastor exercised the First Amendment, and besides William Jefferson, what other Democrat member of congress is CURRENTLY IN THIS MOMENT on the proverbial "hot seat"?
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz....
Let me know when it's my turn...
Wordsmith,
I didn't read the Pentagon report that DIDN'T come out, did you ?
Do you just skim read what I write? Skip over links I provide you? Because your subsequent comments always have questions that would be answered if you had paid better attention, and also clicked on links.
I've been reading the report; I believe Scott's done by now, and wrote a post on it. Mark Eichenlaub as well. The fact that you felt the need to capitalize "DIDN'T", after I already stated I had begun reading the report, makes me think you are indeed incurious about the truth and fact gathering, and more interesting in being right and in pursuing a partisan agenda.
I read the "9/11 Commission Report" which stated unequivocally that Saddam was not only NOT involved in 9/11 but that Iraq was NOT TIED to al-Qaeda. Are you suggesting that report is entirely fabricated?
Not at all. I'm telling you that you are being intellectually dishonest with yourself if you think that's what the 9/11 Commission Report said; or misinterpreting the Report and its purpose.
Scott's written extensively on this:
When the 9/11 Commission and Senate Intelligence Committee both said there was a lack of evidence, they BOTH continued on to say that the reason for the lack of evidence was a lack of intelligence reporting (evidence gathering) from 98-01. In fact, we know from both that monitoring of AQ prior to 9/11 never numbered more than 40 people and averaged only 4! As bad is the comment from the Senate Intelligence Committee that after 98 there were ZERO human intelligence assets reporting on Iraq. No one collecting evidence equals no evidence.
However, both the Senate Intelligence Committee and the 9/11 Commission specifically said that the lack of evidence means that the issue should remain OPEN-not closed and that it was not the final word, and since then several 9/11 Commission members and Senate as well as House members have said that new evidence should be re-examined as the depth of the relationship is now showing itself to have been more than just tacit ties.
The CIA’s report, “Iraqi Ties to Terrorism” says:
“The CIA assessed that: Regarding the Iraq-al-Qaida relationship, reporting from sources of varying reliability points to a number of contacts, incidents of training, and discussions of Iraqi safe haven for Usama bin Laden and his organization dating from the early 1990's. Iraq's interaction with al-Qaida is impelled by mutual antipathy toward the United States and the Saudi royal family and by bin Ladin's interest in unconventional weapons and relocation sites. The relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida appears to more closely resemble that of two independent actors trying to exploit each other - their mutual suspicion suborned by al-Qaida's interest in Iraqi assistance, and Baghdad's interest in al-Qaida's anti-U.S. attacks. The Intelligence Community has no credible information that Baghdad had foreknowledge of the 11 September attacks or any other al-Qaida strike, but continues to pursue all leads.”
From the 2004 Phase I report:
“Due to the limited amount and questionable quality of reporting on the leadership intentions of Saddam Hussein and Usama bin Ladin, the CIA was unable to make conclusive assessments in "Iraqi Support for Terrorism" regarding Iraq's relationship with al-Qaida. The CIA stated in the Scope Note: Our knowledge of Iraq's ties to terrorism is evolving...This paper's conclusions-especially regarding the difficult and elusive question of the exact nature of Iraq's relations with al-Qaida-are based on currently available information that is at times contradictory and derived from sources with varying degrees of reliability...While our understanding of Iraq’s overall connections to al-Qaida has grown considerably, our appreciation of these links is still emerging.”…
Section 13 of the Senate Intelligence Committee report, titled Intelligence Community Collection Activities Against Iraq's links to Terrorism, points out the problem with stating categorically if there were ties or no ties between Saddam’s regime and Al Qaeda:
“Notwithstanding four decades of intelligence reporting, IC officials and analysts expressed frustration over the lack of useful intelligence collected on Iraq’s involvement in terrorism, particularly on links to al-Qaida. A January 2003 IC assessment of Iraqi support for terrorism explained, "Our knowledge of Iraq’s ties to terrorism is evolving and (REDACTED)".
Based on information provided to Committee staff, these gaps had three main causes:
1. a late start collecting against the target,
2. the lack of a U.S. presence in Iraq, and
3. reliance on foreign government services, opposition groups and defectors for current intelligence.”
The funding of suicide bombers is so old it's got a 56k modem attached to it. That story cropped up after 9/11 to paint Saddam even more of a villain to drum up support for the unjustified war in Iraq. It's called propaganda and many bought into it.
Mostly, you're just making yourself look bad here. Please do yourself a service and read the new report, based upon Iraqi documents, audio, and video. Otherwise you make yourself look irrevelant, stuck on yesteryear's talking points.
Wordsmith,
Is it me or do you recall Bush saying in days after 9/11 that we were going to get "those responsible for this cowardly act"? Why haven't we?
We have. 80% of the al-Qaeda leadership as well as its operatives were killed or captured after Afghanistan. Latest:
US captures senior al Qaeda leader Mohammad Rahim
Unprecedented Coalition strike nails the Haqqani Network in North Waziristan
The war is being fought. Iraq is part of the overall war.
If Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11 and was NOT conspiring with al-Qaeda, why are we there? If it's WMD or UN violations, why didn't we invade prior? (perhaps because an event like 9/11 would have given overwhelming support for an invasion?)
This is simply exasperating! 7 years later, we're still rehashing the same, worn-out arguments. It never changes!
Regime change became official U.S. policy on Iraq, under President Clinton. The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998? Under Clinton:
The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq's history or its ethnic or sectarian make-up. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.
9/11 changed everything. It was a wake up call. President Bush decided to go on the offensive and preempt the next terrorist attack before it happens.
"Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated."
-President Bush in an address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People, United States Capitol, Washington D.C., September 20, 2001.
My perspective on war stems from reading Michael Walzer's book, "Just and Unjust Wars". I recommend you read that and then we can pick up the discussion and hopefully it will gravitate AWAY from PNAC, Czech Republic, Niger, uranium, Palestine and Zarqawi's leg.
Thanks for the recommendation and condescension. I'll try to look into it.
Even with all of your friends and their blogs, their "facts" are never officially confirmed by any agency: news, government or other.
Dude...my friends (ie, Scott and Curt) and I are looking at the intell reports themselves. The latest report is just another example of how lazy the MSM is. The McClatchy Reporter bases his article on the word of a Pentagon leaker. Not on the actual report itself. Often, other news agency merely cite from the AP, NYTimes, or whichever, and piggyback and regurgitate on the legwork of others. So if any of the major agencies gets it wrong, that misinformation gets sifted down the news chain.
Other headlines:
ABC: Report Shows No Link Between Saddam and al Qaeda
New York Times: Study Finds No Qaeda-Hussein Tie
CNN: Hussein’s Iraq and al Qaeda not linked, Pentagon says
Washington Post: Study Discounts Hussein, Al-Qaeda Link
AFP: No link between Saddam and Al-Qaeda: Pentagon study
None of these journalists read the report itself:
The initial news reports of the study's findings were so far off base that one of the researchers involved in the report said (via Stephen Hayes) "The document is being misrepresented. I recommend we put [it] out and on a website immediately."
Why would I want to read a blog which has facts cross-checked by another blog? Huh? And you guys bitch and moan about the "9/11 inside job" bloggers? I see no difference.
Do you not understand that credibility is earned? The best blogs out there can compete with the best journalists out there. If you want to know more about Constitutional Law, would you rather read about it from Constitutional law professors with their own blogs, or from journalists who might, at best, have a high school level education on the topic? If you don't understand the value of blogs, I have no idea what you're doing in the blogosphere. There are good blogs, and there are bad blogs; and there are blogs to fulfill a variety of purposes.
It's ridiculous to put blind faith in the credibility of journalists and news agencies, just because they are "in print". How often have you found yourself knowing more than an actual journalist? Or cross-referenced his article, only to find you've "one-upped" him, finding better information?
Again, the way to figure out whether or not a blog has anything worthwhile to say, is to check his sources. Merely being dismissive says more about your intellectual snobbery than anything else.
Why didn't Bush invade Saddam on January 22, 2001?
Uh...there was a little place called "Afghanistan" to strike first? You're of the opinion that the Bush Administration had Iraq in its cross-hairs from day one?
Meet the Press, September 16, 2001:
Mr. RUSSERT: Do we have any evidence linking Saddam Hussein or Iraqis to this operation?
VICE PRES. CHENEY: No.
Marie said: I dont give a rats ass which one it was, The Pledge Or the Anthem, by Barack Hussein Obama not putting his hand over his heart during either one is disrespectful, required or not
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Amen to that Sister!
Federalist,
Well, guess what Marie? The Obama/Pastor story, unfortunately for the right-wing fascist party, may soon be going away.
When you get your news from Newsmax, as most right-wing lunatics do, this is what you get; an apology from William Kristol after inventing facts and perpetuating false stories:
Kristol Admits Another Error -- This One on Obama Smear
Are You Serious? LOL
You obviously didnt even watch the videos, oh but then again I guess they were Doctored and made up LOL, so you figured you didnt need to. They forced Obama to have to make a statement no matter how wishy washy it was.
False stories? haha MMMMMMMK, it's been all over the news and it's a false story, well Thank God Dan Rather wasnt involved or I might believe that!
As far as Bill Crystol, I havent read that yet but by your description of the story I will agree, in 20 years there is no possible way that Obama didnt know what Rev. Wright has been preaching, in 20 years he was NEVER in the Pew? While any of this was being said? Yeah ok, I have a bridge in Brooklynn to sell you also.
Ok if you can copy and past an entire story, you can copy and paste a link!
What idiots! Good try Billy, stick to PNAC and Imperialism.
LOL! You turn so easily from the subject at hand to some cockamaymee story by Bill Crystol.
You take the cake Fed, lol you really do :-)
LOL...
That one flew right over your head, Marie. That's okay, I'm sure the others caught it!
The sermon in question, the one that appears on the video about "God Damn America", etc., it was reported that Obama was in attendance and therefore, by not resigning from the church or denouncing that sermon, that he supported that content.
William Kristol, resident sociopath neocon, reported the story.
It's proven to be false.
I was simply pointing that FACT out to you.
Question: Is McSame going to denounce Hagee's support for him or not?
Nevermind, McCain is white. Silly question.
Federalist,
Well excuuuuuse me!
I didnt know what you were talking about you are so of so much babble.
So now Bill Krystol is a Sociopath Neocon? LMAO!
Oh I'm quite sure in 20 years Obama was in the pew at some point during one of these Lunatic speaches.
It was especially funny that Obama cant get rid of this Lunatic, Babbling Hate Speech Preaching Crazy Old Uncle. He's FAMILY!!
I can pretty much garauntee that McCain's pastor never went around saying "God D**n America" and "America's Chickens Have come home to roost". LOL
I know, when a black man speaks out against America, it's racial and treasonous.
When a white man does it, it's called republicanism and patriotism.
Bottom line: white America still feels that blacks are not full citizens.
Federalist,
I still dont see where any white man has said "God D**n America", or any references to the kind of racial divide you are talking about.
Sorry but your excuses for Obama and his Pastor are just moot.
The damage has already been done.
Your great black hope is over.
Well, if my ancestors had been kidnapped and enslaved, if I had witnessed my cousin being beat senseless, other relatives butchered, raped and murdered, denied the right to vote and all the while this was cloaked in an American flag with Lady Liberty watching....
To say that America is innocent of any past atrocities is so incredibly ignorant, naive, arrogant and stupid that it deserves no response. I would question whether someone who felt like that were simply not mentally retarded and in need of federal assistance.
You better believe I just might say what Pastor Wright said and a whole lot more of it. But I guess we'll never truly know Marie...because neither of us are black.
Federalist,
Well, if my ancestors had been kidnapped and enslaved, if I had witnessed my cousin being beat senseless, other relatives butchered, raped and murdered, denied the right to vote and all the while this was cloaked in an American flag with Lady Liberty watching....
Do you really know for sure? Were you there?
I would have loved for some of my relatives to have been beaten with Lady Liberty watching, they were assholes!
To say that America is innocent of any past atrocities is so incredibly ignorant, naive, arrogant and stupid that it deserves no response. I would question whether someone who felt like that were simply not mentally retarded and in need of federal assistance.
You are the naive one, I had absolutely NOTHING to do with what the hell ever my ancestors did and I take absolutely NO Resposibility for it. I didnt do it and it's time this rage against white America STOPS! I'm just not taking responsibility for it. I WASNT THERE!
You better believe I just might say what Pastor Wright said and a whole lot more of it. But I guess we'll never truly know Marie...because neither of us are black.
How the hell do you know if I am black? How do you know what color I am? Say what Rev Crazy Uncle in the closet Rv. Pastor Wright said, it will just make you look as idiotic as Pastor Wright!
Well then again you already have him beat!
I see federalist suffers from "white guilt". Race profiteers like REVEREND Sharpton and REVEREND Jackson make a living from perpetuating racism by talking about it so much (re: Morgan Freeman on 60 Minutes).
And suckers like federalist suck it all up, wanting to feel forgiven and redeemed.
It's because of self-loathing liberals like federalist and black-centrics like Reverend Wright that we are stuck where we are; and idiots like Chris Matthews can gush over Obama's speech, as if it's broken some sort of glass ceiling. That glass ceiling was broken years ago; yet liberal race hustlers want to perpetuate the notion that America is a racist nation.
When will liberals realize Dr. King's dream of being judged by the content of one's character rather than the color of one's skin? By not fixating on it so much. Do you think Wright got that message? No. Has federalist? Hasn't proven it in this thread.
Word,
It is sad truly we are never going to get over this racial divide in this Country with people like the Rev. Wright, and others and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson stirring the Racial Pot!
The Democrats want to make the black folk completely dependent on entitlement programs and keep them hung up on big governement for the rest of thier lives with no hope of crawling out from underneath the crud.
Maybe Federalist is one of those?
America is run by white people...where do I come in on that equation? I would love to see black men and women achieve success (however they wish to define that) in America. But we can go back and forth all day but neither of us know what it's like to be black in America.
Republicans tend to believe that people are poor by choice (like they believe that people are alcoholics or drug addicts or gay by choice...ask Rush or Larry Craig, it's not a conscious choice).
I would never advocate that anyone live on a government program for their entire existence. That's not freedom.
This issue with Obama is entirely about race and the right-wing lunatics have ensured that it will stay about race. Pastor Wright is not given the same freedom under the First Amendment as Pastor Hagee is afforded. Because Pastor Wright is black, his comments, according to conservatives, need to be "tempered", because blacks should feel lucky that "they've made it" in America.
Pastor Hagee can blast Jews, degrade the Catholic religion, call gays less than human, etc. and because he's white, there is the assumption that he will not cross the proverbial line.
Fact is that pastors coast to coast preach things every Sunday that others from other religions would find incredibly offensive, even anti-American. The ONLY reason this is an issue is because it's Obama. If you can't lie (Fox News) and says he's Muslim, then paint him as the "crazy Negro black panther/Malcolm X" type.
Most people have no idea that the man behind Martin Luther King, Jr. was a gay black man who wrote most of his speeches, studied under Ghandhi and outlined King's non-violent approach. Before his death King had gravitated toward the ideology of Malcolm X and had begun to release his non-violent rhetoric approach in favor of a more aggressive, proactive strategy.
Because King was more palatable to whites, he's an icon. Malcolm X goes down as the crazy, violent negro (which is very scary to white people).
The thought of a black man preaching talis lexionis scares the plaid shorts off of the white man.
Attempting to umbically tie Obama to Wright is attempting to paint Obama as the crazy, violent, unpredictable negro. The right knows that if Obama keeps his image like that of King, a non-violent, pro-unity, he would crush any opponent from the right.
I know, when a black man speaks out against America, it's racial and treasonous.
When a white man does it, it's called republicanism and patriotism.
No. When a white or black man speaks out against America, he's probably a liberal Democrat.
America is run by white people...
Stuck on "race". Dr. King should be so proud of you.
America is run by Americans. You have Americans serving in all branches of government, running the country.
where do I come in on that equation? I would love to see black men and women achieve success (however they wish to define that) in America.
And you don't?
My college roommates are now all surgeons. One of them represented this country in the '96 Olympics. You tell them they aren't making it in this country, because "whitey" is holding them down.
I remember some guy asking one of them if he and his brother had been to any ASU meetings, lately. My roommate responded, "we competed there." The guy thought my roommate was so out of touch because he interpreted "ASU" as Arizona State University, rather than African Student Union. Some maligned them because they didn't "act" "black", whatever the hell that's supposed to mean.
People who are fixated on race, who want to move past it, simply need to quit segregating themselves because of skin complexion.
But we can go back and forth all day but neither of us know what it's like to be black in America.
Then what the devil are you doing, standing on your damn soapbox, pretending like you are a voice of empathy for black folk?
In another thread, you recommended a book for me. Here's one for you: Out of America, by Keith Richburg.
Republicans tend to believe that people are poor by choice
Where in the blue hell did you get this notion?!?!
This issue with Obama is entirely about race and the right-wing lunatics have ensured that it will stay about race.
Yes, because Barack and Michelle have never pulled out the race card during this campaign season, prior to the Wright controversy, have they?
Yes, they have.
You don't think a PRESIDENTIAL candidate whose persona and aura has been to transcend race, to represent transracial/post-racial unity, who's had a pretty good life in this country, should be grilled on an Afro-centric church that he brings his children to, whose overall message and philosophy of victimology- not cherrypicked quotes- is saturated in anti-American, blame whitey rhetoric?
Pastor Wright is not given the same freedom under the First Amendment as Pastor Hagee is afforded.
Oh, come on! There's a world of difference between "goddamn America" Wright who Obama called his mentor and spiritual adviser of 20 years, and the endorsement of Hagee who McCain....has met how many times before?
Because Pastor Wright is black, his comments, according to conservatives, need to be "tempered", because blacks should feel lucky that "they've made it" in America.
No, conservatives moved on and are living out Dr. King's message. You liberal race baiters are still stuck in the 60's, practicing the soft bigotry of low expectations with your idiotic affirmative action legislations, ebonics, reparations, etc.
Here's what Pastor Pina, who runs a multi-ethnic congregation in Everett, Washington, had to say:
“What I heard coming from Rev. Wright was not just a phrase taken out of context, but a philosophy,” he wrote. “And if you listen to all the different controversial statements, the GD America Sermon (not just a few statements) pretty much sums up the philosophy. And the way the congregation responds lets us know that the philosophy is not just the pastor’s, but the church’s. The point I’m trying to make is that making an inflammatory statement (or two) is not the same as a church’s or pastor’s philosophy. And if Obama didn’t know the pastor’s philosophy after being a member of the church for over 20 years…it speaks to the lack of judgment he has.”
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