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July 30, 2007

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NYT: A War We Might Just Win

I just had to post this, I mean coming from the New York Times? I am shocked!!

New York Times:

A War We Just Might Win

VIEWED from Iraq, where we just spent eight days meeting with American and Iraqi military and civilian personnel, the political debate in Washington is surreal. The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration’s critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.

Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily “victory” but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.

After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops. In previous trips to Iraq we often found American troops angry and frustrated — many sensed they had the wrong strategy, were using the wrong tactics and were risking their lives in pursuit of an approach that could not work.

Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.

Everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with Iraqi security units, creating new political and economic arrangements at the local level and providing basic services — electricity, fuel, clean water and sanitation — to the people. Yet in each place, operations had been appropriately tailored to the specific needs of the community. As a result, civilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began — though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done.

In Ramadi, for example, we talked with an outstanding Marine captain whose company was living in harmony in a complex with a (largely Sunni) Iraqi police company and a (largely Shiite) Iraqi Army unit. He and his men had built an Arab-style living room, where he met with the local Sunni sheiks — all formerly allies of Al Qaeda and other jihadist groups — who were now competing to secure his friendship.

In Baghdad’s Ghazaliya neighborhood, which has seen some of the worst sectarian combat, we walked a street slowly coming back to life with stores and shoppers. The Sunni residents were unhappy with the nearby police checkpoint, where Shiite officers reportedly abused them, but they seemed genuinely happy with the American soldiers and a mostly Kurdish Iraqi Army company patrolling the street. The local Sunni militia even had agreed to confine itself to its compound once the Americans and Iraqi units arrived.

We traveled to the northern cities of Tal Afar and Mosul. This is an ethnically rich area, with large numbers of Sunni Arabs, Kurds and Turkmens. American troop levels in both cities now number only in the hundreds because the Iraqis have stepped up to the plate. Reliable police officers man the checkpoints in the cities, while Iraqi Army troops cover the countryside. A local mayor told us his greatest fear was an overly rapid American departure from Iraq. All across the country, the dependability of Iraqi security forces over the long term remains a major question mark.

But for now, things look much better than before. American advisers told us that many of the corrupt and sectarian Iraqi commanders who once infested the force have been removed. The American high command assesses that more than three-quarters of the Iraqi Army battalion commanders in Baghdad are now reliable partners (at least for as long as American forces remain in Iraq).

In addition, far more Iraqi units are well integrated in terms of ethnicity and religion. The Iraqi Army’s highly effective Third Infantry Division started out as overwhelmingly Kurdish in 2005. Today, it is 45 percent Shiite, 28 percent Kurdish, and 27 percent Sunni

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Can you guy's believe this? Coming from the New York Times? Oh my! We are winning!! Who would have thunk it? President Bush and General Patreaus were right. And all of you that deserted the President and the Troops just shut up. I dont even want to hear it. Boy the Democrats must be pissed off today!

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Blogger Gayle said...

The New York Times is actually began to tell the truth? It can only be for one reason: They've lost so many subscribers with all their tom-foolery that they are running scared! Good! They actually wrote an honest article. It's pretty sad that it's so rare it's a shock!

July 30, 2007 4:07 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


I knew there would come a time that there would be NO WAY to HIDE the good news, and the successes coming from Iraq, and to have the NYT of ALL people report this?

I am still shocked.

July 30, 2007 4:22 PM  
Blogger Angevin13 said...

This is good news, but I still think that no amount of evidence will convince the most ardent anti-war activists or reverse politicians like Reid, who has cast his lot with the nutroots and has a vested political interest in seeing the U.S. fail in Iraq, to support the war effort. But again, when two Brookings wonks say things like "there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008" you gotta think it has the Democrats really nervous.

And so it should. This certainly doesn't portend well for the Democrats, who own defeat in Iraq. And that may be the real "quagmire."

July 30, 2007 5:15 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


Reid and the "Gang" may have a vested interest in seeing our own Country fail (And how DARE them!) but do we really care anymore what the anti-war defeatest group thinks?

I say screw 'em!

I truly believe like you stated the Democrats "OWN DEFEAT", yes they should be nervous. What are they going to say when there are so many success stories coming out of Iraq that no one can do anything but report them?

If the Democrats are in their own quagmire, they brought it on themselves.

To bad they backed the wrong horse in this race isnt it?

July 30, 2007 8:29 PM  
Blogger Dan O. said...

It is truly amazing the the NYT would write such an article. But, it is only ONE article. And since the MSM is so negative and I stopped paying attention to them along time ago, is anyone else reporting anything like this?

July 31, 2007 7:27 AM  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

Only lins and Democrat have ever doubted victory. I posted an article that details the success of the surge that I found at The Wall Street Journal.

Yet Dems will still claim failure and push for pull out. They care nothing for victory,success or evidence that proves it. They want surrender!

July 31, 2007 8:19 AM  
Blogger Bar Kochba said...

This is some great news but I am still highly skeptical of victory. What is the definition of victory in Iraq? A democracy there is a fools hope as freedom and democracy have no place in an Islamic society. Bush also not going to be able to solve the Sunni-Shia rift than predated him by 1000 years or so. I think that the US should start pulling out, with enough troops to protect oil fields and things like that, and that we let the Sunni and Shia kill each other. Their fighting will spread across the Dar-al-Islam and destablizie the entire Muslim world. The true war will be won by trying to weaken the House of Islam and fighting the jihadist ideology rather than go after each terrorist individually.

July 31, 2007 9:34 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Bar Kochba,

I disagree.

You dont pull the Troops out when the Surge is working and Victory is maybe a way's off but is at hand.

Democracy is what some in the Islamic world want, will it look like our Democracy? NO!

Will it be their own kind of Democracy? Yes!

We arent pulling out of anything, THE ENEMY IS!

July 31, 2007 9:43 AM  
Blogger Obob said...

as much as I commend the writers for the piece, I'm sure Murtha and company and waiting to discredit it.

July 31, 2007 12:54 PM  
Blogger Bar Kochba said...

But what is the definition of victory in Iraq? What is the US doing to fight our enemies' jihadist ideology?

July 31, 2007 6:32 PM  
Blogger Mark said...

I'm sure the writers of that article were holding their nose while writing it.

July 31, 2007 8:07 PM  
Blogger Mike's America said...

Bar kochba:

Bush has laid out the definitions of VICTORY in Iraq about a hundred times.

You seriously mean to suggest you haven't heard before?

Do me a favor:

Type "" in the address window of your browser.

Then hit enter.

After the White House web site comes up type "victory in Iraq" in the search box at the top right.

You'll have all the details right there.

The National Strategy for Victory is perhaps the best resource:

And of course if you read some of the MANY speeches that President Bush has given on the subject you'll be familiar with the short phrase that encapsulates it all:

Victory is an Iraq that can govern itself and be a good ally in the war on terror.

Want more, read the strategy. Then come back and let's chat.

July 31, 2007 11:08 PM  
Blogger The Liberal Lie The Conservative Truth said...

This combined with the admission by House majority whip Clayburn that good news is whittling their surrender coalition and is ashaping up as bad news for Democrats is great news for America.

Could very well be the precursor to victory in 08 for the GOP also!

August 01, 2007 7:48 AM  
Anonymous Joanne said...

To all of the commenters here who think the New York Times "wrote" this piece, please understand that the New York Times did not "write" that op-ed. It was written by two men: Michael E O'Hanlon, who is Senior Fellow in Foreign Policy Studies at the Brookings Institution. His most recent book is Defense Policy Choices for the Bush Administration, 2001-2005. and Kenneth Pollack, who also works for the Brookings Institute and supports Bush's war.

Newspapers often invite people who have differing points of view from their editorial staff to write in the op-ed section of their papers. This isn't anything new.

The fact that the NYT invited these two men to write their opinion in the op-ed pages doesn't mean that the editorial board agrees with what they said.

It is OPINION, and the column is published in the OPINION pages.

The NYT didn't have to hold its nose to print this or the other opinion pieces by Bush supporters that run every week on their op-ed pages.

You don't read the NYT, so apparently that's why most of you think the NYTimes wrote this piece.

It didn't; and the NYTimes still thinks Bush's war is a disaster.

August 01, 2007 2:07 PM  
Anonymous Joanne said...

And to dan o. in particular. Do you read newspapers? That piece is NOT REPORTING it is an OPINION piece. It has nothing to do with reporting.

I'm amazed that so many here don't know the difference between reporting and opinion. Too bad it's not taught in school.

This, for example, is reporting, not opinion. This really, really happened it is not the reporters' OPINION:

Violence Rages in Iraq as Sunni Bloc Leaves Cabinet

Published: August 1, 2007

Three bomb attacks in Baghdad today killed more than 65 people, as sectarian and militant violence continued to rage in Iraq.

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Above, a fuel truck was detonated in a suicide attack today in Baghdad.

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A suicide car bombing Wednesday in Karada, a Shiite section of Baghdad, killed at least 17 people, police said.

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An Iraqi man wept for his brother, who was killed in the bombing in Karada.
The Shiite-led government that is trying to cope with the violence, meanwhile, suffered a political setback today, when the largest Sunni Arab political bloc in the parliament followed through on a threat to walk out of the coalition cabinet that is trying to unify the country.

One of the bombs detonated in Baghdad today was in a car outside a popular ice cream shop in the central district of Karrada. The explosion killed at least 15 people and injured more than 35. Another attack in the neighborhood last week killed 60.

August 01, 2007 2:12 PM  
Blogger Bar Kochba said...

I really don't mean to be defeatist and I hope the US wipes out those Islamo-Nazis. I am familiar with what Bush aims to do, I just doubt that a democracy can be built in Iraq. Islam and democracy are completely incompatible as in Islam, the sovereingty belongs to Allah alone. Iraq is an artificial state made up of 3 groups that hate each other. I don't believe that Bush will be able to reconcile religous groups whose hatred of each other predates him by a thousand years.

August 01, 2007 2:32 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


O'Hanlan and Pollack write op-ed pieces for the New York Times ALL the time!

They are the ones the New York Times has been putting on the front pages of their paper when their opinions are nothing but car bombs going off, the government of Iraq is falling apart, and like you falsefully implied that this is Bush's war!!

So this was a shocking piece to us because although buried, it was found and floated all over the internet because it was a shock most people that the NYT would print a story like this let alone from those two.

These two have been critical of everything Bush ever does and they up and decide (Which I suggest all you defeatest's do because us clear thinking people read and keep up) to go to Iraq and see for themselves one way or another what is really going on. THEY WENT OVER THERE AND SAW PROGRESS!! They came back and said to themselves gee, maybe alot of folks are WRONG and we should tell them about it!

I know how hard it is for you Liberals to stomach any kind of Progress being made in Iraq, you need a loss there all for political gain and shame on you miserable assholes!

And the arguement that this is Bush's war is getting old and the American people see this, especially after they know that President Clinton signed into law in the Iraq Liberation Act Of 1998, The United Nations (Idiots that they are) passed 17 resolutions against Iraq the last one being UN Resolution 1441 demanding that Military Action be taken to prevent Saddam Hussein from possessing and/or/using chemical and biological weapons, which of course we never found, but most clear thinking people know what happened to them.

And both the Senate and House bipartisanly voted for the war, and yes they had the EXACT same intelligence the President did (Dont be fooled) and if they didnt read it? That's thier friggen problem.

Either way the notion that this is Bush's war is complete bullshit!

August 01, 2007 2:56 PM  
Anonymous Joanne said...

You're wrong about me, Marie, and my not being able to "stomach" progress in Iraq.

I hope for a good outcome.

It's the lies I can't stomach.

August 01, 2007 5:50 PM  
Blogger Bar Kochba said...

BTW I supported the invasion, support the troops and support Bush. I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the imagination I just believe that the US should not engage in the political process in Iraq, especially since Islam and democracy cannot function together. I wish that Bush would learn more about Islam and stop refering to it as a 'Religion of Peace'.

August 01, 2007 5:55 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


What lies? Please dont tell me the same ones you guys swear by that every investigation so far has turned up bupkas on.

Bar Kochba,

All we do for the Political Process in Iraq is provide Security for it. We dont medal in Iraqi business.

That's why it's taken so long for the Iraqi's to get thier crap together and form a government and write a constitution.

If we were medling in Iraqi affairs the Political Situation would already be working.

And I dont recall President Bush ever calling Islam The Religion of Peace, I have heard him say most Islamic people are peaceful people, big difference there.

August 01, 2007 10:10 PM  

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