Hillary For President?
Keep this in mind as the 2008 election process continues…
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends"of the Clintons.
1 - James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancée.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."
33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
35 - Major William S. Barkley Jr.
36 - Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 - Major General William Robertson
40 - Col. William Densberger
41 - Col. Robert Kelly
42 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 - Steve Willis
44 - Robert Williams
45 - Conway LeBleu
46 - Todd McKeehan
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT? SURELY YOU JEST!!!!!!!!!
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends"of the Clintons.
1 - James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 - Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3 - Vince Foster - Former White House counselor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4 - Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5 - C. Victor Raiser II - Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6 - Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor."
7 - Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8 - Jerry Parks - Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9 - James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.
10 - James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11 - Kathy Ferguson - Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12 - Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancée.
13 - Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14 - Florence Martin - Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15 - Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16 - Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17 - Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18 - Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19 - Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20 - Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21 - Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22 - Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
23 - Barry Seal - Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
24 - Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25 - Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26 - Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27 - Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28 - Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29 - Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30 - Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31 - Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
32 - James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes."
33 - Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
34 - Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
35 - Major William S. Barkley Jr.
36 - Captain Scott J . Reynolds
37 - Sgt. Brian Hanley
38 - Sgt. Tim Sabel
39 - Major General William Robertson
40 - Col. William Densberger
41 - Col. Robert Kelly
42 - Spec. Gary Rhodes
43 - Steve Willis
44 - Robert Williams
45 - Conway LeBleu
46 - Todd McKeehan
HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT? SURELY YOU JEST!!!!!!!!!
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 11:03 AM
41 Comments:
You can use that set of facts to demonstrate that the Clintons are not nice people, Marie, but you know perfectly well that the liberals will use that same set of facts to demonstrate that Mrs. Clinton should be President.
There may be 708 days left.
Uncle P,
The left will demonstrate this set of fact's to make thier case that Hillary ("SHOULD") be President? lol
Damn only 708 day's left? I'm not sure there is enough time to get the message out lol
Hi Marie,
May I offer a clue Marie? Well you know which group supports the Liberal Democrats don't you?
Yes that's right the Unions and many of those Unions ( Not All ) But many of those Unions are not exactly run by the United States Of America Boy Scout Club.
Are you getting any clues yet? Does the name Jimmy Hoffa spark any recollection?
Night,
Yes I know all this.
Hi Marie,
Well there are a lot of people who think that the Mob is not doing that kind of stuff anymore, but they are living in a dream when they think that.
My whole point is that, it's why so many of those got eliminated but too many are like the ones that I stated above that are not seeing reality and have been living with their heads stuck in the sand.
Hi Marie,
I've been missing you, are you alright? I haven't heard from you for awhile and was worried about you my friend.
My first thought was, "dern Marie spent all day researching. " Then I remembered that all of what you gathered is readily available but no one wants to look at it because it tells the truth about the Hildabeast. She has alot of baggage and it is being conveniently forgotten as a way of blinding the public to her true dishonesty, liberalsism and out right danger to this country. Good post!
Holy Manchurian Candidate, Batman!
Clinton is trying to repackage herself as "Hillary". Sorry, that's not going to work for Clinton. I prefer to refer to Clinton as the Clinton mean machine because it's not just her that's running. It's a whole network of criminals, con artists and a political machine that knows no ends to their character assaninations and politics of personal destruction.
As far as the Union people go Phil, the major backers of liberal candidates are the Government employees unions. AFSME, The AFL-CIO and the Teamsters. They are the biggies. On the left coast many of the Unions have long been associated withe communists and they actually have control over many of the Unions especially the longshoremen. The mob still has a hand in the Teamsters. James Hoffa Jr. now controls the Teamsters. That's a good thing.
Marie, I believe that if Obama is smart he'll have quite a few bodyguards at his disposal. Hillary is going to eat him for lunch now that he's declared his candidacy. I don't like the guy, but I don't condone murder either. I don't believe he has a chance in hell of winning, but Hillary is another matter entirely. I detest that witch!
Hi Marie,
J_G I agree with you about the fact that Hillary repackaging herself as Hillary, but I don't think that I agree about just how much of an influence what you call the Mean Machine will be, Hillary for one is not looking left enough to the large Anti-War Idiots out there and others think that she is too far left.
J_G, Thanks I didn't know about the AFSME, but I did know about the AFL-CIO and the Teamsters of course but I also think that there are more like the Labor Unions and others that play up to the Leftists too.
Please get well soon Marie, we all miss you.
A while back on your blog, you posted a "quote" by Abraham Lincoln.
It was false.
Lincoln never said it.
I didn't research it, because I assumed you wouldn't just pass along something someone just made up. I was wrong. You obviously read the made-up quote on some rightwing site and just passed it on.
So my question is: Why should I believe anything you post here anymore--especially the calumny you've posted about Hillary Clinton?
I now wonder if anything you post here is true, or is it just talkingpoints from rightwing propaganda sites?
Mr. Bush himself has said: 'Fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again' —
Origin of a Specious Quote
Then:
"Congressmen who willfully take action during wartime that damage morale and undermine the military are saboteurs, and should be arrested, exiled or hanged," that's what President Abraham Lincoln said during the War Between the States.
-J. Michael Waller, "Democrats Usher in An Age of Treason." Insight magazine, 23 Dec. 2003.
Now:
The supposed quote in question is not a quote at all, and I never intended it to be construed as one. It was my lead sentence in the article that a copy editor mistakenly turned into a quote by incorrectly inserting quotation marks.
-J. Michael Waller, email to FactCheck.org, Aug. 21, 2006
http://www.factcheck.org/article415.html
And just so I won't be asked what this has to do with "Hillary For Presient?" post:
Unless you back up these allegations, I have to believe they're all made up.
I should have clarified what I mean by "back up" these allegations.
The allegation, of course, is that the Clintons, and Hillary in particular, have engaged in murder and cover-up in countless deaths. That's what is implied in your post.
And you guys actually believe this.
You actually believe that the Clintons planned and committed murder? Not once, not twice, but dozens of times?
And yet, mira dictu! Not one agent from the Justice Department has come after Bill or Hillary for these henious crimes. Not one! They haven't even been charged!
Good heavens! Who's been in charge of the Justice Department since Clinton left office?
Could you also be implying that the Republicans who head up the Justice Department decided to ignore all of these uncanny coincidences? And not go after the Clintons for their involvement in all of these "suspicious" deaths?
How incompetent! Don't those clowns in the Justice Department know how to do their jobs?
/snark/
For me, thrill-seeking and the pursuit of truth are inextricably linked. I did my own fact-checking on the quotation from our 16th President (a Republican, incidentally), and it turns out that Mrs. Green is correct. A journalist made it up, and an editor thought it would be cute to keep the quotation marks around it. Thus it passed into the collective consciousness.
Of course, the fact that Abraham Lincoln did not say a thing does not make the thing false. Congressmen who willfully aid the enemy and work for the defeat of the United States in wartime are traitors and should be incarcerated, sent to live with their pals on the other side of the front, or shot. That's what I'm saying, and I'm saying it whether Lincoln agreed with me or not.
In fact, Lincoln did exile a Congressman by the name of Clement Vallandigham (D-OH)for exactly the sort of thing that the Democrats are still doing today. You can find his story at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clement_Vallandingham
A most edifying historical footnote concerns Mr. Vallandigham's demise in 1871, at the age of 50. After leaving politics, he took up the practice of law and shot himself in the head while attempting to demonstrate that his client was innocent of murder because the decedent had committed suicide.
Funny how things work out, innit?
Uncle P. said:
"Congressmen who willfully aid the enemy and work for the defeat of the United States in wartime are traitors and should be incarcerated, sent to live with their pals on the other side of the front, or shot. That's what I'm saying, and I'm saying it whether Lincoln agreed with me or not."-
"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
---Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)
"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
-Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)
"[The] President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
---Sen Rick Santorum (R-PA)
"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
-Governor George W Bush (R-TX)
These criticisms were given during the Bosnian war by political figures.
BTW: General Clark WAS greeted with flowers!
Many of those allegations of "Arkancide" were investigated but most were written off by the Clinton Justice department under Janet Reno.
Investigations like the death of Vince Foster the law partner of Mrs. Clinton were purposely left to the incompetent bungling of the National Park Service. They can run a Park system but investigations into murder should have been taken up by the Justice department under the FBI. Louis Freeh came forward recently to tesify to some of strange occurences under the Clinton Admin and I believe he has even written a book. The information is out there Mrs. Green if you would only look if you are that interested.
Incidentally Mrs. Green, the Justice department and all the other alphabet soup agencies of the government especially the State department don't completely change because the President does. That's why it is called a bureacracy. The heads of the agencies change but it is the long time department employees within those agencies along with members of Congress that pull the strings at those agencies. Congress and the Executive branch constantly fight over control over those agencies behind the scenes. Things aren't always as clear cut as you like them to be.
Make no doubt that the Clinton mean machine is gearing up for another set of huge coincidences in the near future Mrs. Green. You don't have to believe a word anyone says you can choose to live in the liberal la-la land of make believe where sipping the Kool-aide that Hillary Clinton is a good person and believes in all her practiced mantras she repeats ad nauseum on the campaign march if you wish. You are invited though to take a closer look because over here we already know about her and her mean machine.
Well, Mrs. Green you have finally convinced me. Iraqis aren't worth the time of day. They won't stand up and fight for their own freedom and they're mostly muslims to boot so why the heck should we give a damn about them?
Let's all write to our Congress people and tell them to cut off the funding of this stupid war and bring home all of our troops now, I agree with Obama. Let those muslims kill each other like they've done for thousands of years why should it matter to us.
We'll send in a couple of low level diplomats to talk to Syria and Iran and have a nice dialogue with them about security in the region. Heck they can send me it's got to warmer there with all this global warming going on here in PA. Maybe the Iranians will show up to talk to me and offer me some pistachios and dates and we can sip some tea while we talk about security now that out troops are all gone. OK Mr Iran nutjob I'll wear a burqa just for you.
Gee, how come it took so long for me to figure out that easy solution. I should listen to you liberals more often, you know, you guys make so much sense now that I think about it I'll be voting for Barack Hussein Obama now. Just imagine the credibility I'll have to use when all our troops are all packed up and sent to Okinawa chased out of Iraq with a couple of truck bombs and roadside explosive devices. The troops can get some R&R and then Clinton/Obama gets elected and they cut military spending to fund a huge and wasteful social welfare healthcare program, gosh those Iranians will have plenty of respect then. Please Mr Iran nutjob leave us alone now and you too Mr Zwahiri we won't bother you anymore
Once again, Mrs. Green, you've proven my point.
Liberals are okay with war, as long as it comes on a Democratic President's watch. To the Angry Left, it's only the eeeeeeevil George W. Bush who is a warmongering Nazi.
Which in turn demonstrates that the Democrats' negotiations with Hamas, Syria, Iran, North Korea and so on are motivated by their lust for political power, rather than their desire to see the United States driven before our enemies because we are a Bad Country. I guess that's a comforting thought. Sorta.
I only have a second here to post to yall because I have been knocked offline for the last 3 friggen days by the evildoers at the Cable Company! It's a conspiracy I swear!
This loone want's to run somekind of line from somewhere in Bum**** Oklahoma to my house and I wont be online for a while until (Maybe) sometime this afternoon.
I see this whole thing has went from Hillary to the House Resolution for Troop surrender which is the most idiotic thing this house of Freaks has done yet.
I intend to make a post about this shortly. Well as soon as this jackass stings whatever cable from wherever to wherever!
In the mean time those "Republicans" that are in "SUPPORT" of this non-binding resolution for surrender and defeat will not see ONE DIME in campain money from me!!!
I will respond to ALL of you as soon as I get the chance!!
Uncle P. said:
Once again, Mrs. Green, you've proven my point.
Liberals are okay with war, as long as it comes on a Democratic President's watch. To the Angry Left, it's only the eeeeeeevil George W. Bush who is a warmongering Nazi.
Could you please show me exactly where I've said this or proved this to you? You guys never fail to astound me with picking things out out of your imagination and pinning them on me.
And who exactly are the Dems in this purported "negotiation" with Hamas, Syria, Iran, and North Korea?
The Constitution prohibits anyone except the Executive from making foreign policy. I challenge you to give me evidence of any senator or congressman/woman who is negotiating with a foreign leader.
Again, you guys make stuff up all the time. Isn't reality enough for you? Or maybe you can't find enough treason to pin on Dems, so you just dream of it and then believe it is reality.
Whew!
I understand how it feels to be a minority--the Dems were there for a while. But I don't understand all the nonsense you have to make up to prove a non-point.
And JG,
Could you show me where I've argued with you about the Iraqis NOT being abe to stand up, or over any of those things you said in your post?
Are you all on hallucinogens here?
I'm the liberal punching bag here. I understand. Marie allows me to post comments, and I get rebutted by you guys on everything I post. Okay. Fair enough.
But could you please NOT post rebuttals to what I DON'T say?
I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone.
Are you really suggesting that you were opposed to the Clinton Administration's military intervention in Bosnia, Mrs. Green?
You've become the liberal punching bag here because a) you're a liberal and b) you're wrong.
Nevertheless, let's look at the specifics:
Kerry Urges Dialogue With Iran, Syria
The Democrat Daily, December 17, 2006
http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=4955
Kerry Backs Up Iran’s N. Rights.
Fars News Agency, January 28, 2007
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8511080271
Syrian President Bashar Assad, left, meets U.S. Senators John Kerry, right, and Christopher Dodd, second left, in Damascus, Wednesday, Dec. 20, 2006
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20122006/46/photo/syrian-president-bashar-assad-meets-u-s-senators-john-kerry.html
Syrian President Bashar al-Assad (L) meets U.S. Senator Bill Nelson Reuters December 14, 2006
http://in.news.yahoo.com/061214/137/6a9xz.html
European Socialists eager to work with U.S. Democrats Reuters December 7, 2006
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-12-07T204342Z_01_L0796336_RTRUKOC_0_US-EUROPE-SOCIALISTS-US.xml&src=rss&rpc=22
(Who, strictly speaking, are not Hamas, Syria, Iran or North Korea, but but they are enemies of America, and Dr. Dean may well be known by the company he keeps.)
But to return to the Bosnia campaign. Where were the "Clinton is a Nazi" t-shirts when the U.S. Air Force was bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade? Where were the United Methodist bishops deploying themselves as human shields against the forces of American imperialism? As I recall, no where.
It's only military action under a Republican administration that the liberals find objectionable.
Uncle P.,
You're smarter than that. At least I think you are.
Those members of Congress have the right to visit those heads of state. They do not have the authority to NEGOTIATE anything. ANYTHING. Those trips that many memebers of Congress make are frequently called "fact-finding" trips.
Nothing they do can in any way be construed as negotiating with heads of state. They meet, they talk, they learn.
There is a difference.
Did Senator Kerry or Nelson promulgate a treaty, an agreement, a resolution? No. That action is proscribed by the Constitution. What they did do is entirely within their rights as Senators.
So you see, in this case, you're wrong. You wish to imply something nefarious. It won't work.
The Bosnian war was a true coalition of NATO member states. It stopped a genocidal maniac. Not one American soldier died. It was the correct thing to do. And the world supported it.
There is no comparison to what Bush started in Iraq. None.
Same facts, different conclusions. All you've demonstrated, Mrs. Green, is that you can't see beyond "Democrats are great, Republicans suck".
And you, Uncle P., have come to different conclusions, vis-a-vis Republicans?
Puleeeze.
You are blind. You and your 30% friends.
You've bee "Left Behind."
Sigh.
been "Left Behind."
You are a very small minority.
The rest of America has come to its senses.
Sorry.
Marie,
It appears that Mrs. Green is one of those liberals that likes to yank your chain by hiding behind anonymity.
Like most liberals she (assuming she is a she) is in complete denial when the facts stare her right in the face.
Hillary For President In 2008
To rjay.
You conveniently ignore the persons who post here under an assumed names:
night rider
the wordsmith from nantucket
the liberal lie the conservative truth
You got a problem with people posting under assumed names?
You obviously never heard of Publius, nor of Ben Franklin's penchant for writing under many, many different names.
It's an American tradition. You got something against that?
And the site you link to on Senator Clinton is trash. I wouldn't waste 30 seconds there. She really frightens you, doesn't she.
Heh.
Well Mrs. Green once again I feel oblgated to kindly point out to you my characterzations of the policies that are prevelant in the liberal minority.
1. It is the statements from the Barack Hussein Obama that is really the thinking of the left that we should immediately pull our troops from Iraq.
2. Clinton said that she would immediately end the war if she were to be elected president.
These ideas sound good to me Mrs. Green let's get behind them and we end the war tomorrow and bring all our troop s home now. They are after all, fighting for absolutely nothing and it has been a total waste as Barack Hussein Obama has recently said.
Mrs. Green,
Obviously you don't know the definition of anonymous or assumed name.
Anonymous: lacking individuality, distinction, or recognizability; to mislead deliberately.
Assumed name (AKA): also known as
Your examples of assumed names are not hiding behind anonymity.
Except for "night rider" whose site has been voluntarily shut down.
JG,
Millions of people, conservative and liberals, agree with Barack Obama. Oh, excuse me. Barack HUSSEIN Obama.
Now this is interesting. You and many of your fellow travelers are emphasizing Obama’s middle name, as though 1) he chose it, and 2) it indicates his allegiance to a certain dead dictator.
First of all, Obama was named for his father. He’s a junior. He had no control over what he was named. Incidentally, his father applied to, was accepted, and attended Harvard to pursue his Ph.D. Not bad. And the son actually received his law degree from Harvard and was elected as the head of the prestigious Law Review—the first African-American to do so. Impressive.
But for some reason, you people, who live in “the greatest country in the world” insist on reminding us that Obama’s middle name is the same as Saddam's last, and you hope to impugn Obama’s reputation by this association. Nice.
Neither Obama’s father nor Obama himself have done anything illegal to sully their names. Nothing. In fact, I would say both of them distinguished themselves with their pursuit of higher education in the same school, BTW, that George W. Bush chose to get his graduate degree.
It is not a crime in “the greatest country in the world” to inherit your father’s name. Unless, of course, you have the mindset of a conservative.
(God help any child who comes in contact with you guys and whose name happens to be Hussein. Will you throw rocks at that child and yell HUSSEIN!?)
Now, to be fair, I have to report on the fact that Rudy Giuliani’s father, Harold Angel Giuliani, was a real criminal.
Yes.
In fact, Harold was a convicted felon, an armed stickup man who once spent time in Sing Sing after pleading guilty to robbing a milkman. Sentenced to 2-5 years, Harold spent 18 months in the stir before being paroled . Harold Angel Giuliani, whose rap sheet included a couple of other busts, worked as an enforcer for a relative's loan sharking operation, using a baseball bat as his enforcement tool of choice.
So here we have Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Senior and Junior, who distinguished themselves in their pursuit of higher education, and, in the case of the son, achieved the American dream, but who you and your friends hope to see smeared and dragged through the slime, why? Because of a middle name, HUSSEIN and because Obama rhymes with OSAMA! Aren’t you great Americans. Really you should be proud of what you’re trying to do.
And here we have Rudy Giuliani, who father was an actual a criminal, and I hear nothing about it.
Obama inherits his fathers name and you want to destroy him. Rudy inherits his father’s criminal DNA and nary a word about it.
Personally, I wouldn’t care if Rudy’s father was a serial killer. It's what Rudy is and what he’s accomplished in his life that matters.
You guys, it appears, believe otherwise. And you have to live with that.
rjay,
What you've posted is a distinction without a difference: the use of the name "anonymous" can also be used as an "assumed name" and in fact it is. An assumed name and anonymous are both not the real name of the poster.
JG,
Millions of people agree with Barack Obama. Oh, excuse me. Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Now this is interesting. You and many of your fellow travelers are emphasizing Obama’s middle name, as though 1) he chose it, and 2) it indicates his allegiance to a certain dead dictator.
First of all, Obama was named for his father. He’s a junior. He had no control over what he was named. Incidentally, his father applied to, was accepted at, and attended Harvard to pursue his Ph.D. Not bad.
And the son actually received his law degree from Harvard and was elected as the head of the prestigious Law Review—the first African-American to do so. Impressive.
But for some reason, you people, who live in “the greatest country in the world” insist on reminding us that Obama’s middle name is the same as Saddam’s last name, and you hope to impugn Obama’s reputation by this association. Nice.
(God help any child you and your friends come in contact with who carries the name HUSSEIN. Will you throw rocks at him and yell Hussein!?)
Neither Obama’s father nor Obama himself have done anything illegal to sully their names. Nothing. In fact, I would say both of them distinguished themselves with their pursuit of higher education in the same school, BTW, that George W. Bush chose to get his graduate degree.
It is not a crime in “the greatest country in the world” to inherit your father’s name, unless, of course, you’re a conservative who wants to destroy a fellow American by innuendo.
Now to be fair, I have to report on the fact that Rudy Giuliani’s father, Harold Angel Giuliani, was a real criminal. Yes. In fact, Harold was a convicted felon, an armed stickup man who once spent time in Sing Sing after pleading guilty to robbing a milkman. Sentenced to 2-5 years, Harold spent 18 months in the stir before being paroled . Harold Angel Giuliani, whose rap sheet included a couple of other busts, worked as an enforcer for a relative's loan sharking operation, using a baseball bat as his enforcement tool of choice.
So here we have Barack HUSSEIN Obama, Senior and Junior, who distinguished themselves in their pursuit of higher education and who you and your friends hope to see smeared and dragged through the slime, why? Because their middle names are HUSSEIN and because Obama rhymes with OSAMA! Aren’t you great Americans. Really you should be proud of what you’re trying to do.
And here we have Rudy Giuliani, who father was actually a criminal, but he gets a pass. Obama inherits his fathers name and you want to destroy him. Rudy inherits his father’s criminal DNA and nary a word about it.
Personally, I wouldn’t care is Rudy’s father was a serial killer. It what Rudy is and what he’s accomplished in his life that matters.
You guys, it appears, believe otherwise. And you have to live with that.
Rjay,
You’ve given me a distinction without a difference. Anonymous and an assumed name are both not the real name of a poster. So what. I’ve used an assumed name just like a number of the others here. So what’s your beef?
Sorry for the double post.
Mrs. Green,
Here's the difference.
Try an anonymous comment on this site. or this.
My Heavens,
I get knocked offline for 3 friggen days and I'm all lost. I dont even know what you guy's are talking about and it's going to take a while to read through all this stuff!!
Just run amuck willy nilly!
You have not agreed with me that pulling troops out now is the best possible plan Mrs. Green. Why? Barack Hussein Obama thinks so and he represents the typical thinking of liberals. I have no objections to Barack Hussein Obama's name it is after all his name isn't it? I made no mention to his name, you are one that is injecting an inference I may have made to Barack Hussein Obama's name. I call many of people by their full name Edward Moore Kennedy, James Earl Carter,and many more and I do it to let people know just who we are talking about and that I know something about the person we are discussing.
Many of the things you have read about Barack Hussein Obama have been said to be untrue after some research has been done or so it may seem. The editors of Insight magazine that printed the story about him attending a Madrassa in Indonesia were interviewed on many talk shows and news programs and those editors stand by their assertions that a Clinton insider gave them the story with credible evidence so they printed the story. Your dispute is with those editors not me. If it were me and I found that the information I was given was untrue I would print a big retraction and expose the source of that embarrassment. The chaos and questions created by such a story have met more than the intended expectations I'm sure.
Back to the issue at hand. You have tried to lead me away from the subject again Mrs. Green but I have no problem staying focused.
I say we take Mr Barack Hussein Obama at his word and have him introduce legislation demanding the president withdraw troops now and to make sure that it happens he must insert an amendment that if the president does not begin an immediate withdraw the Congress of the United States will cut off all funding for operations in Iraq. I say that we demand that of him and Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton. What do you have to say about it Mrs. Green? This is what you and other liberals want isn't it? That's what I've been hearing and seeing on the news. All the war protestors and marches with banners hanging from the bleachers while Barack Hussein Obama instructs his followers at campaign rallies.
Nevermind I cant comment on all this stuff lol you guys are all over the place.
Just carry on LMAO
No, Mrs. Green. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think Barak Hussein Obama has any links to your hero and role model, the late President of Iraq.
Nor do I think that he had anything to do with choosing it. Keeping it, maybe, but that's a different question.
Once again, you're fastening your own dystopian fantasies onto things other people never said.
No, my problem with Senator Obama is that he is liberal and he won't say definitively whether or not he is a Muslim. Of course, you don't have a problem with him not saying whether he prefers Sharia law to the U.S. Constitution, so me raising this question makes me a Bad Guy in your book, but by now I'm used to it.
Once again, since I know how important it is for you to have the last word, and how that last word usually involves name-calling, casting aspersions on my ancestry and religious beliefs, a general inability to see beyond "Bush sucks", well, you just go ahead.
JG sez:
I call many of people by their full name Edward Moore Kennedy, James Earl Carter,and many more and I do it to let people know just who we are talking about and that I know something about the person we are discussing.
Well, I'm afraid you're not being entirely honest. You posted a piece on the former mayor of New York City, and referred to him by his nickname, "Rudy" Giuliani, and not by his full name, Rudolph William Louis Giuliani III.
You posted a piece on Nancy Pelosi and called her Ms. Pelosi, not Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi. The post on Senator Webb has only his first and last name and not his entire name, James Henry Webb, Jr., and in that post you mention Ronald Reagan, not Ronald Wilson Reagan
I think you're b.s.ing me when you say you always use politicians full name to let people know just who you're talking about.
I'll comment on Senator Obama's position when you are more honest about using his middle name. So far, you haven't been. You're trying to smear him and then being dishonest about it.
Just thought I would give an update:
I was just watching Geraldo in Iraq with the 1st Cavalry, Geraldo interviwed like 8 Troops and they ALL said they want the chance to finish thier mission in Iraq. And they are NOT thrilled with this Resolution in Congress and they are going to continue this mission till it is done.
If I can get the video I will post it.
Uncle P. said:
No, Mrs. Green. I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think Barak Hussein Obama has any links to your hero and role model, the late President of Iraq.
Good God, Uncle P., you're just too funny for my oatmeal! You're assigning Saddam as my "hero and role model" are you? But you left out Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Henry Kissinger. Naughty Uncle P.! Bad boy! Bad Uncle P.!
Uncle P. also sez:
Nor do I think that he had anything to do with choosing it. Keeping it, maybe, but that's a different question.
Of course, Uncle P. Senator Obama should change his middle name, which is one of the most common in the Muslim world, BTW, because his father named him that and we all in "the greatest country in the world" just know anyone with that name is a damn terrorist! You're right. He should change his middle name. How about Barack Timothy Obama. That better?
Uncle P. sez:
No, my problem with Senator Obama is that he is liberal and he won't say definitively whether or not he is a Muslim.
Poor Uncle P.! He apparently can't read or is too lazy to Google Senator Obama and his religion:
Senator Obama in his own words from "Dreams From My Father:"
It was because of these newfound understandings–that religious commitment did not require me to suspend critical thinking, disengage from the battle for economic and social justice, or otherwise retreat from the world that I knew and loved–that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity United Church of Christ one day and be baptized. It came about as a choice and not an epiphany; the questions I had did not magically disappear. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.
But he's probably making all of that up, since only Republican African-Americans tell the truth when they profess their faith. Right? That wiley Senator Obama will just say any little ole thing to get elected. The cheek!
Uncle P. sez:
Of course, you don't have a problem with him not saying whether he prefers Sharia law to the U.S. Constitution, so me raising this question makes me a Bad Guy in your book, but by now I'm used to it.
Yes, Uncle P., that statement does make you a Bad Guy, and a Frightened Ignoramus, too.
Senator Obama taught Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago. And, BTW, I've never, never read where YOU have written that you prefer the U.S. Contitution to Sharia Law, so I'm quite suspicious now about exactly where you stand on this issue. Do you have the courage to tell us? Come on. Are you for the Constitution or Sharia Law? I'm waiting...
How someone who has the sensitivity to appreciate Beethoven's 7th Symphony (my favorite, especially the 2nd movement) can come up with so much trash talk is a mystery to me.
Curiouser and curiouser.*
*Alice in Wondeland
Hey Uncle P.! I just thought of a perfect name! Senator Obama should change his name! You're right!
Here's my suggestion:
Al Obama.
Sound American as grits to me! ;-)
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