What Was Ted Turner Thinking?
BOSTON- Authorities charged two men on Thursday with planting battery-powered advertising signs for an animated cartoon that were mistaken for bombs and caused Boston's biggest security scare since the September 11 attacks.
But investigators were also probing the role of U.S. media group Turner Broadcasting, which has apologized for Wednesday's day-long security scare triggered by a "guerrilla" marketing campaign for one of its cartoon shows.
Sean Stevens, 28, and Peter Berdovsky, 27, were charged in state district court with placing a hoax device and disorderly conduct and released on a $2,500 cash bond each.
Prosecutors said the two were paid by a New York marketing company hired by Turner, and Mayor Thomas Menino has said the city may sue the company, a unit of Time Warner Inc..
"We're not unaware of the fact that the defendants are not at the top of the hierarchy (of responsibility) here," Massachusetts Assistant Attorney General John Grossman told the court hearing.
Berdovsky -- a Belarus native with flowing dreadlocks -- and Stevens mocked the process in an appearance with reporters, insisting on talking about hairstyles from the 1970s rather than addressing questions about the incident.
The men's lawyer said Turner Broadcasting would pay their legal fees.
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Way to go Ted! What an incredibly Stupid thing to do to hire this whacked out outfit to place suspicious packages all around Boston shutting down the entire city, costing the city millions of dollars and all this over a Cartoon Network publicity stunt. This caused a panic all over Boston, the Police, Homeland Security, the Terrorism Task Force, and other agency's had to waste millions of dollars in manpower when they could have been doing other work. Not to mention having to "Blow Up" some of these Crazy "Lite Bright" looking boxes. And the two idiot's in the picture above were laughing at all this? They think the public reaction to this was way to much? What IMBICILES!!! We are in the middle of a WAR, the Public is contious (Thank God) about suspicious looking packages ANYWHERE in this Country not knowing if they are bombs or any possible act of terrorism, and will and should report them to the police! Turner and his "Outfit" he hired should be charged with everything they can throw at them. Not just a fine! Then again what should we expect from the man who created the Communist News Network?
But investigators were also probing the role of U.S. media group Turner Broadcasting, which has apologized for Wednesday's day-long security scare triggered by a "guerrilla" marketing campaign for one of its cartoon shows.
Sean Stevens, 28, and Peter Berdovsky, 27, were charged in state district court with placing a hoax device and disorderly conduct and released on a $2,500 cash bond each.
Prosecutors said the two were paid by a New York marketing company hired by Turner, and Mayor Thomas Menino has said the city may sue the company, a unit of Time Warner Inc..
"We're not unaware of the fact that the defendants are not at the top of the hierarchy (of responsibility) here," Massachusetts Assistant Attorney General John Grossman told the court hearing.
Berdovsky -- a Belarus native with flowing dreadlocks -- and Stevens mocked the process in an appearance with reporters, insisting on talking about hairstyles from the 1970s rather than addressing questions about the incident.
The men's lawyer said Turner Broadcasting would pay their legal fees.
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Way to go Ted! What an incredibly Stupid thing to do to hire this whacked out outfit to place suspicious packages all around Boston shutting down the entire city, costing the city millions of dollars and all this over a Cartoon Network publicity stunt. This caused a panic all over Boston, the Police, Homeland Security, the Terrorism Task Force, and other agency's had to waste millions of dollars in manpower when they could have been doing other work. Not to mention having to "Blow Up" some of these Crazy "Lite Bright" looking boxes. And the two idiot's in the picture above were laughing at all this? They think the public reaction to this was way to much? What IMBICILES!!! We are in the middle of a WAR, the Public is contious (Thank God) about suspicious looking packages ANYWHERE in this Country not knowing if they are bombs or any possible act of terrorism, and will and should report them to the police! Turner and his "Outfit" he hired should be charged with everything they can throw at them. Not just a fine! Then again what should we expect from the man who created the Communist News Network?
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 2:51 PM
50 Comments:
This is a case that I would agree to have doc Kevorkian help out with these two useless individuals.
JG,
They look like they need Kevorkian's help dont they? LMAO
Marie,
I live in Boston. The city, not the suburbs. The cost was not in the millions. The estimate under $1 million. More like $700,000.00
Also, why did this cause such a ruckus here in Boston when in the NINE other cities where the same stunt was carried out, nary a peep.
I know the mayor, hizzoner, Mumbles Menino. So I know the answer to that qweschun!
Mistake number 1, Marie: you assume Ted Turner CAN think!
Mrs. Green you have turned into a leftwing apologist. There is no excuse for Turner braodcasting to let the bomb squads and emergency responders deal with these things when they knew about it all along. Those two poor excuses for so called artists and Turner Broadcasting executives should spend some major time in jail along with hefty fines.
The other cities did not respond because they were warned that these things were about when it was found out after Turner Broadcasting came clean. No more leftwing apologies please Mrs. Green, I thought you were above that. Those two guys are no more artists than a couple of house painters or plumbers. Wow dude light up that joint, morons!
Hi Marie,
Those two guys are no more artists than a couple of house painters or plumbers. Wow dude light up that joint, morons!
Wow, J_G slams Mrs Green again with another two pointer from past half court. LOL
Mrs Green,
I think that J_G enjoys you, why? your too easy for her. J_G just slammed you big time and she just walks away with a big grin on her face. LOL
I'm not trying to slam Mrs. Green, she's Ok most of the time. We all have good and bad days, the point is though when wrong is wrong you have to point it out. Turner broadcasting is the villian in this story and the two human debris that got arrested are just symptoms of the shallow minded and amoral (without moral standards: not caring about good behavior or morals)society that we live in.
No more leftwing apologies please Mrs. Green, I thought you were above that.
I don't see where I apologized for anything in my post. I just wondered why other cities didn't react the way Boston did. Where's the "apologist" in that? I did not know the other cities had been forewarned about the stunt.
Also, to those who think JG "slams" me--Good on her! I like a good fight with someone who has strong convictions.
Also. She has exquisite taste in poetry.
On the other hand, at least one of the citizens of the Bay State had the civic virtue to call in a report of a suspicious object.
This is a far cry from 1969, when nobody could be bothered to report a woman trapped inside a car that had been driven off a bridge by a drunk driver.
Or when nobody bothered to tell the authorities that Catholic priests were molesting altar boys for years.
Who says things aren't getting better and better all the time?
Mrs. Green, from the tone of your original comment it sounded like you were being dismissive of the steps your mayor had taken and sympathetic towards the perpetrators. That's where "apologetic" came from.
The other cities that were targeted were watching while this whole fiasco was going on up there in Boston and the other cities like Chicago and Philly were figuring things out as everything was happening in Boston. They weren't told ahead of time as it may have seemed that I implied. It appears that they had more time to assess the situation while Boston took the action it deemed neccessary.
You should be proud of those men and women that were dealing with this because I think they handled things rather well if you ask me. They had no idea what they were dealing with and they took every professional precaution that was called for. You may not like the Mayor up there but in my eyes and the rest of the world that was watching, the Boston PD performed very well indeed.
j_g, I'm just guessing here, but I think the argument runs something like this:
Remember, liberals are superior carbon-based life forms. The mayor over reacted because, despite being a Democrat, he's an idiot. We know this, because there is no terrorist threat and because Mrs Green and her friends were greatly inconvenienced. We know that there is no terrorist threat because the terrorists are reasonable people who understand that we have a Democratic majority in Congress that has seized control of America back from the eeeeevil Republicans. We know also that the terrorists would never actually blow up anything because the long, cold winter of the Bush Administration is over and America is in retreat. It will only be a matter of time before the troops are brought home. Since the Islamo-fruitcake element is composed of reasonable men, they will understand how nice liberals are and how they only want the best for everyone.
Besides, they would never attack Boston which, after all, voted for George McGovern in 1972 and continues to send Kennedys to Washington at every opportunity.
We know also that the two "guerilla marketers" behind the incident are "artists" of a sort (which we know from the outlandishly bad haircut of the too-cool-to-live specimen on the right) and it's only people demonstrating the blinkered, Philistine pig-ignorance of the non-creative garbage (to quote Monty Python) who would have a problem with it.
Ted Turner's okay with the way things worked out, why aren't we?
uncle pavian said; Ted Turner's okay with the way things worked out, why aren't we?
If you don't know now you'll never know
Uncle Pavian said...
On the other hand, at least one of the citizens of the Bay State had the civic virtue to call in a report of a suspicious object.
This is a far cry from 1969, when nobody could be bothered to report a woman trapped inside a car that had been driven off a bridge by a drunk driver.
Or when nobody bothered to tell the authorities that Catholic priests were molesting altar boys for years.
Who says things aren't getting better and better all the time?
Uncle P,
Get hold of yourself, man. You indict an entire state for the appalling actions of one man? And as bad as his behavior was, the majority of the people who vote him back to the senate year after year do so because of his ability to serve them as their senator, not because of an egregious judgement he made almost 40 years ago.
You have no idea how he has repented to his God do you? All you know is that you will never forgive him nor will you ever forget.
Apparently you're much bigger and more important than God. I wish I could be there on judgement day when you tell God who He should forgive and how diligently you've kept your hatred of Kennedy going because you believe no one deserves redemption.
Or when nobody bothered to tell the authorities that Catholic priests were molesting altar boys for years.
Here you're just plain wrong. There is testimony from people in parishes all over Mass. that shows parents DID complain--to the CHURCH, and the Church ignored them, and worse, moved the pedophile priests to other parishes, knowing they would molest other children.
The problem was with the Church's heirachy, not the people.
As in most human endeavors, when an organization is powerful, it protects itself and its power, and cares not for the injury it imposes on the powerless. This is true in organized religion and governments.
J_G,
Of course I didn't say that you went over to Mrs Green's house and physically picked up Mrs Green over your head and body slammed her, I didn't say that, I meant it as a humorous metaphor in a more figuratively way, and yes J_G I do understand what the definition of Amoral Means.
Pistol Pete,
Ted Turner's okay with the way things worked out, why aren't we? You need not jump on Uncle P,'s comment there he was using a bit of Sarcasm.
Night Rider, my clarifcations were meant for Mrs. Green who has a hard time understanding my meanings. I think that is because we come from entirely different ways of thinking and intertpretting things.
I have to admit that I cannot understand the the mindset of liberals when it comes to fiscal responsibilty and public policy even though I do know quite a few liberals. I do try and teach them common sense thinking but for the most part that doesn't work.
I believe there is a place for liberal thinking when it comes to art and certain types of human expression but for goodness sakes they in no way should be left to make critical decisions regarding public saftey, military matters, policy making or economic responsibility.
I do have to agree with Uncle pav though about the Kennedy and Turner fellows, they are about "useless pieces of human debris" to quote a recent "Noble Peace Prize" nominee.
J_G
I don't even try to understand the Liberal mindset, I don't like to be blunt but they don't have the ability for common sense or even logic.
I am not going to say anymore on that subject of what you wrote about Liberals because I don't want to sound harsh. But you can write and ask Marie sometime if you really want to find out what I think about Liberals.
I don't even try to understand the Liberal mindset, I don't like to be blunt but they don't have the ability for common sense or even logic.--night rider
Really, night rider, that is quite a nonsensical and illogical statement.
By all accounts, Albert Einstein was a liberal, since he was anti-war and an atheist. (He rejected the idea of a personal and biblical god, but used the term "god" to express the logic of the physical laws of the universe.
Many Nobel prize winners (physicists, and other scientists) are liberals.
See how silly and illogical your statement is?
PS. Have all you guys who dismissed global warming by humans still have your heads illogically and uncommonsensically stuck in the sand?
Or are you all right and the rest of the world and its scientific community all wrong?
Even the Bush administration has finally come out and acknowledged that global warming is a fact and that humans are indeed responsible.
How do you guys feel being lumped with the flat-earthers?
I didn't say anything about Ted Kennedy in my post, Mrs. Green. You're the one who brought up Ted Kennedy. And I do blame the voters of Massachusetts for returning members of the Kennedy family (whom I believe have done enormous damage to the country) to public office year after year.
As for the Catholic priest business, people reported the incidents to the Church, but nobody seems to have gone to the police. If the church is on fire, do you call the bishop's office, or do you dial 9-1-1? Boy, that's a tough call, especially in Boston, it seems.
J_G said...
Mrs. Green you have turned into a leftwing apologist.
She shoots,..she SCORES!!
Uncle P. said:
I didn't say anything about Ted Kennedy in my post, Mrs. Green. You're the one who brought up Ted Kennedy.
You're being disengenuous, Uncle P. To whom were you referring when you wrote this?:
This is a far cry from 1969, when nobody could be bothered to report a woman trapped inside a car that had been driven off a bridge by a drunk driver."
Don't tell me that particular circumstance refers to someone other than Ted Kennedy.
And I do blame the voters of Massachusetts for returning members of the Kennedy family (whom I believe have done enormous damage to the country) to public office year after year.--Uncle P.
Can you back that assertion up with some examples of the "enormous damage" Ted Kennedy has done to the country? People on this blog make all kinds of assertions without evidence, and I'm supposed to believe them just because they say so? No. Otherwise you'll have to accept my assertions without evidence as the truth, too. And you guys certanly don't want to do that, do you.
I don't remember Senator Kennedy ordering men and women to their deaths for dubious reasons, nor has he turned world opinion against the US, nor has he bungled a war through incompetence. That real, real damage. And Senator Kennedy had no part of it.
As for the Catholic priest business, people reported the incidents to the Church, but nobody seems to have gone to the police. If the church is on fire, do you call the bishop's office, or do you dial 9-1-1? Boy, that's a tough call, especially in Boston, it seems.--Uncle P.
Please. You don't know what you're talking about. When families went first to the priests to complain about their pedophiles, the families were warned NOT to go to the police because it would bring scandal on Holy Mother Church. And the few families who did seek help from the police were discouraged from pressing charges or not believed. Remember a lot of the abuse took place in the 50s and 60s when people didn't talk about these things. And a lot of the families and their victims were too ashamed to come forward, but when some victims began to do so, many felt strong enough to face whatever it took to get the criminal Church leaders to take responsibility for their crimes.
Perhaps you don't know what a powerful hold organized religion has over its minions. It cares chiefly for power and money, just like governments. And both can be rotten through and through.
I do have to agree with Uncle pav though about the Kennedy and Turner fellows, they are about "useless pieces of human debris" to quote a recent "Noble Peace Prize" nominee.--JG
I just reread that and at first couldn't figure out who you meant, then I remembered those were the words that the drug addict, Rush Limbaugh used to describe Kurt Colbain. And then I remembered hearing that someone had nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize.
You people do know, (well maybe I shouldn't assume that you guys do know this) that only members of the Nobel Nominating Committe can legitimately nominate someone for the Peace Prize.
Of course, any idiot can submit another idiot's name and say that the person whose name they've submitted has been "nominated" for the Nobel Peace Prize.
You guys can "vote" for your favorite movie and movie star to win an Oscar, but that doesn't mean squat. The members of The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences are the only ones who can nominate.
So, this little joke about Limbaugh being "nominated" for a Peace Prize is just that. A joke.
Shoot. I hit "publish" too soon.
You also do know that former Vice Presidet Al Gore has legitimately been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, don't you:
Al Gore Nominated for Nobel Peace Prize
Feb 01 6:29 AM US/Eastern
By DOUG MELLGREN
Associated Press Writer
OSLO, Norway (AP) -- Former Vice President Al Gore was nominated for the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize for his wide-reaching efforts to draw the world's attention to the dangers of global warming, a Norwegian lawmaker said Thursday.
"A prerequisite for winning the Nobel Peace Prize is making a difference, and Al Gore has made a difference," Conservative Member of Parliament Boerge Brende, a former minister of environment and then of trade, told The Associated Press.
"Al Gore, like no other, has put climate change on the agenda. Gore uses his position to get politicians to understand," Brende said.
Norwegian lawmakers are among the thousands of people and groups with rights to nominate Nobel candidates. Others include members of national governments, past laureates, members of the awards committee and its staff, and many university professors.
And he's been nominated for an Oscar from The Academny of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for his documentary "An Incovenient Truth."
2007 may be a wonderful year for Mr. Gore!
Good going, Al!
Mrs Green,
Really, night rider, that is quite a nonsensical and illogical statement. Don't complain Mrs Green you Liberals know nothing of Logic and Common Sense.
I understand your limitations due to your handicap known as Liberalism, but please don't try to say things that you have no idea of what you are talking about especially in regards to Albert Einstein, you absolutely know nothing of what you talk about.
Yea if Liberals want to talk about that phony thing you libs call Nobel prize winners then you and Yassur Arafat are in good company.
Because the hate and idiocy comes from the left just like it does from the Terrorists, like Yassur Arafat. That is good company for the Liberals. Mrs Green your just a joke, not a very good joke but a joke just the same.
Alfred Nobel is rolling over in his grave with all the Nobel prize winners from the past 50 years. Jimmy Carter? Yassar Arafat, algore being nominated c'mon Mrs. Green nominating algore and his idiot science film is akin to shooting oneself in the foot. It looks pretty bad and feels even worse.
I really can't think of anyone that is a bigger moron than algore. Well, maybe one, Pat Robertson, he's the only one that sounds as stupid as algore. I wish people would just tell those two to just shut up because they hurt everyone's ears.
Certainly you'd have to agree that Rush has done so much more to increase the knowledge and participation in a free society and has done more to promote peace through understanding than algore could ever accomplish. Rush has the ideal that everyone can succeed if you only put your best effort into it. Some will succeed more than others because people are different but soitantly in America we are given that opportunity and it is up to the individual to take advantage of that freedom.
In algore's world everyone except algore needs the help of the government and no one can succeed unless the government is there to grant them the success the government deems fit for that person.
Mrs. Green, Sir Isaac Newton was arguably as much of a genius or more so than Albert einstein and newtown believed in the Christian God. Does that make Einstein's discoveries any less important, no, it just shows that one does not have to be an atheist or a liberal to be a genius and if you take that thought to it'slogical end then you would have to admitt that are probably more Christian geniuses than atheist geniuses just because there are more Christians than atheists.
Dear Night Rider:
These are Albert Einstein's words:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly."
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
You say I don't know what I'm talking about, but don't offer any reason for your saying that. There is Einstein's quote, and I just about paraphrsed what he said.
And I do know what I'm talking about. It's in Professor Einstein's words sitting up there, as proof.
JG,
I did not suggest that only atheist and liberals are geniuses. You are setting up a straw man arguement again.
It is true that Isaac Newton was a Christian, but you have forgotten that EVERYONE had to be a Christian, otherwise they would have been labeled a heretic and punished.
You did know that, didn't you? And Newton had deep misgivings about the Trinity, did not believe in Christ's divinity, and developed a hatred for Catholicism.
He was a very complicated genius.
This is a fact.
Albert Einstein solved some of the problems left by Newton. You should read about this. It is quite interesting
I have missed out on alot of this "Debate" I guess you could call it, I have been sick with one thing after another after another this winter, so I have been lucky to get a post out let alone comment.
But I MUST comment on one thing:
Mrs Green,
You also do know that former Vice Presidet Al Gore has legitimately been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, don't you:
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And this is good why? This man had the audacity to screech and shrill to the top of his voice and call our Commander-In-Chief a "Liar" "He lied to the people of this Country", "How dare "He" (Our President) drag OUR Country's good name through the mud" (As far as World opinion is concerned)!
SCREW AL GORE!!!
AND SCREW WORLD OPINION!! We are peotecting our right to exist and the Countries that dont go along on this ride with us get what they deserve.
Al Gore is a pathetic excuse for a human being, he chastizes our President every single chance he get's, he is vile and mean and spews nothing but puke every time he speaks to to the American people about our President and all this during a time of WAR!!!
He is a low life form and I am absolutely thrilled that he was NOT in office when we were attacked on 9-11! Or this Country would have gone back to just accepting yet another terrorist attack on this Country and/or/our interests instead of going after those responsible for it, and I dont just mean Afghanistan I mean terrorists everywhere!
That's what pisses me off about the Liberal ilk that supports this kind of failed, self screwing, nitwit, that has the whole Country in a panic over what may or may not be "Global Warming", where there is no scientific evidence to prove ANY of it, but when two nitwits scare the absolute shit out of Boston over some lite brite boxes that were supposedley a "Publicity stunt", the Liberals assume the Country is "Overreacting", when we saw what terrorists were capapble of doing on 9-11! And most clear thinking people know this could happen again, because the Terrorists stated mission is the destuction of the United States and any and all AMERICANS!!
How idiotic can you people be?
Good going, Al!
Are you friggen serious?
The best way for Al Gore to improve on "Global" Warming" is to quit sucking the oxegen out of the air that could be used for the rest of us clear thinking individuals!!!
PISS OFF AL GORE!!
The Nobel Peace Prize should go to Rush Limbaugh, who deserves it alot more than Al Gore ever will!!!
Mrs. Mean: Was that your son with the long ratty hair?
Mrs. Green that strawman thing is something that the left came up with to try and counter the common sense points conservatives make while debating. It is no longer recognized as a legitimate point for the purpose of debate. (It never really was)
Isaac Newton believed in Christ and held beliefs in the Trinity more like those of Eastern Orthodox as did many in the Royal Society of the time. Newton also read and published more about scripture than he did about science. Newton also showed that his uncovering of the science of the creations of God were in the best interest and well being to the church and man. Newton belived that the church had strayed from it's commission but since the beginning who hasn't thought that? It was the Anglican Church that was the preimminent power in England at Newton's time so his distrust of the Catholic church was pretty universal at that time.
I liken scientists that do not recognize that the science of the creation they are discovering to be like a stopped clock. A stopped clock can be very accurate, at least twice a day.
Correction; I liken those scientists that do not recognize that the discoveries they make are creations of God and the scientists that do not recognize that are like a stopped clock. A stopped clock can be very accurate, at least twice a day and the rest of the time they are completely wrong.
JG,
Interesting. It's great that you have knowledge of this. More later. But I understand that Newton was an anti-Trinitarian. Correct?
He also believed in alchemy, which we now know is bogus. But that doesn't detract from his genius.
Mike.
Stop calling me Mrs.Mean. Okay? It's childish.
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Marie,
I'm sorry you're so upset over this Al Gore thing. It's not worth it.
Let it play out. Let's see where it leads.
I do not wish any harm or distress.
Calm down. Everything's cool.
Sigh.
You also do know that former Vice Presidet Al Gore has legitimately been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, don't you
Then he is legitimately in good company, as was pointed out.
And he's been nominated for an Oscar from The Academny of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences for his documentary "An Incovenient Truth."
2007 may be a wonderful year for Mr. Gore!
Good going, Al!
Yes, and he'll be in good company with the likes of Michael Moore, because we all know how much prestige and credibility the Oscars have earned since "Bowling for Columbine".
*sigh*.....sorry for my late arrival in this thread.
Mrs Green,
Calm Down?
How can I calm down when you guys follow Al Gore's misleading, mudslinging, attacks against Our President? And then get's nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize after all the hate and vitriol he pukes?
It amazes me that anyone would just follow him blindly after all the crap he has said about our President who has ONLY tried to protect us since 9-11 and has done a damn fine job of doing so I might add!
I remember a time after the 9-11 attacks, the media purposely went after Al Gore for his opinion of what all happened only months after Bush was elected and Al Gore lost and at the time accepted defeat with grace and dignity, the media asked him his views on the attack of 9-11 and he clearly said on camera "Bush Is MY president I will tell you that"
What the hell happened to him after that? He lost his marbles!!
How on earth could anyone nominate his pathetic ass for the Nobel Peace Prize after all the Vitriol and Lunacy he has projected against OUR President after EVERYTHING that has gone on?
Bush Lied? HOW? Bush dragged Our Country's good name through the mud? How? Bush decieved the American people? How?
President Bush may accept dessent from the likes of Al Gore, but President Bush is a better man than I am a woman!
I find it evil, distateful, tactless, untrue, lunaticish (If there is a word), and downright treasonous!
Al Gore is a pathetic coward who has now turned bitter, mean and hatefull and will do ANYTHING humanly possible to get the most Lunatic left of YOUR party to believe this horseshit, and what the problem will be for you guys is, he, as well as the far, far left of YOUR party, have just come to accept his insane ramblings that President Bush has done EVERYTHING Al Gore has told them, they believe this crud, and now they are taking to the streets in protest, and what will you guys do with the far far leftwing loones?
I'm sure they dont fit in with the moderates in YOUR party! But YOUR party created these Lunatics, they will be all over YOUR candidates asses for the next two years, and just how do you guys plan to deal with them?
By giving them a Nobel Piece Prize????
You watch and see there is great division in your party, Al Gore, Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, John Murtha, etc...
What the hell are you guys going to do with these freaks?
One thing I'm glad about is they are YOUR problem Not OURS!!!
Way to go Al? I think NOT!! Friggen Coward!!
Oops Peace Prize ^^^^
Whatsa all this about, giving former vice a president Al Gore the Pizza prize? It is my humble but considerable opinion that he getta no pizza because he deserva only the phony baloney.
Wow, that was a mouthful eh?
Mrs. Green, without getting too theological the words of Isaac Newton "I have a fundamental belief in the Bible as the Word of God, written by those who were inspired".
Having said that though, in his time there was a considerable amount of argument going on about this English translation from the Greek texts. One of those things was the about the Holy Trinity. I've read over the writings a couple of times and I'm still not getting what Newton means.It almost sounds like one of those hair splitting aruments of today. (is there really anything new under the sun?)
I've read so much about this period and the times leading up to the actual first publication of the King James Version in 1611 starting with Tyndale. The times were tough then, revolutionary ideas, seprations from the Roman church, Protestantism, Martin Luther Elizabethan England, King James etc...
Many times I just have to let my faith tell me which way is the right way for me because men (meaning mankind) have many of their own interpretations and that is pricisely why I believe God gave us the Holy Spirit, so that each one of us can communicate and do God's work according to your calling by God.
I totally reject athesism because it is illogical and ignores the obvious, man is instilled with a spirit. There is much more to humans then just living, eating, working and then taking a dirt nap. The spirit of man is special, it makes us different from all other living organisms and it was put there by an all powerful God.
Scientists can only uncover the miracles of creation. They have no power to make any of their own other than to manipulate the ones God lets us see.
Sorry for putting everyone to sleep but I try to never fail to get in a plug for God
Wow! I think YOU deserve a Nobel PIECE Prize for giving me a huge PIECE of you mind! LOL!
"How on earth could anyone nominate his pathetic ass for the Nobel Peace Prize after all the Vitriol and Lunacy he has projected against OUR President after EVERYTHING that has gone on?"--marie's t.c.
Marie, Al Gore has been nominated by an international committee that does not care a wit about what he thinks of Presdent Bush. He's been nominated for promoting understanding and awareness of global warming and how humans contribute to it.
You and the majority of the people who comment here do not think global warming is real. But you also must understand that you and your fellow travelers are now with the flat earthers. Even the president has to concede that when a majority, yes a MAJORITY of distinguished scientists worldwide acknowledge that we have a global warming problem, maybe he has to pay attention.
It is no longer a matter of you and other here screaming at me and saying THERE IS NO GLOBAL WARMING! Rather, I suggest y'all drop your blinders (which are made of pure partisanship) and educate yourselves. Even a number of evangelical pastors and their churches have finally come on board and understand what is at stake.
You might think of letting go of your hatred toward Al Gore, and turn it to loving your planet. It's the only one we have.
And JG,
I'm sure I don't know as much about Newton's life as I should, having read only bits and pieces over the years. Not long ago PBS aired a program about him. He was, as I said, a complicated genius, and I think this quote, near the end of his life, reveals a lot about him:
"I do not know what I may appear to the world; but to myself I appear to have been but a little boy, playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself, in now and then finding a smooth pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."
Mrs Green,
You might think of letting go of your hatred toward Al Gore,
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
P'SHAW!!!!!
I'm sure that Newton would have won a Nobel Prize if there were such a thing in his time. His admitting of what little he actually knows is the sign of a great man. In great contrast though in our times we have people like algore that try and take credit for just about anything he can find to further his self grandiosement including inventing the internet and inventing man made global warming. Newton and Gore quite the contrast don't you think?
As far as the rest of the followers of the pied piper of weather didn't they used to call them lemmings?
Well, now that you've brought up Senator Kennedy, let's talk about him openly.
The Kennedys have never pretended to be anything but what they are, and what they are is something the people of Massachusetts like and approve of. Senator Kennedy's own sister-in-law once called his relations "gorillas", did she not? They have never made any bones about being a family of alcoholics with enough money to buy their way out of any trouble they encounter and enough power to crush anyone who opposes them. The people of Massachusetts don't have a problem with that, as is their right under our system. It is also my right to say that the policies advocated by Senator Kennedy (cutting off support for the Republic of Vietnam and ensuring a Communist takeover, higher taxes, more intrusive government, and so on) are bad ideas that have done enormous damage to the country. Obviously, you disagree that any of Senator Kennedy's behavior or policies are bad, which is exactly my point.
Likewise, you have validated my point about the pedophile clergy in Massachusetts. If your child is being sodomized by a priest (or if the church is on fire), in Bostton, you write a letter to the bishop before you call 9-1-1.
But let's bring this back to whether a citizen who finds a box with a bunch of flashing lights under a bridge should mention it to the police. I say that bringing it to the attention of the authorities constitutes civic virtue. Obviously you disagree, again validating my point that the citizens of the Bay State are lacking in that particular quality.
But then, that's the blinkered, Philistine pig-ignorance you've come to expect from us non-creative garbage, innit?
Y'know, j_g, I can't help but notice that Mrs. Green's articulate and reasoned defense of Senator Kennedy and the voters of Massachusetts and her exposition of the hold organized religion has over the less highly-evolved carbon based life forms, does not address my comments in response to your post about her allegedly sympathetic attitude toward the perpetrators.
Why do you suppose that is?
Obviously, you disagree that any of Senator Kennedy's behavior or policies are bad, which is exactly my point.--Uncle P.
Your insistence on being a victim and being right is tiresome. If you go back to my posts on Senator Kennedy and Chappaquidick, you will see how I characterize his behavior as irresponsible, reckless, egregious. But you, wanting to prove your errorneous point, convenintly leave that out, which leads me to the conclusion that you are dishonest when you come here to debate with me.
Go back and look at my posts on Kennedy and Chappaquidick. I do not excuse his behavior. Ever.
I do ask people here to not pass judgement on whether or not he has asked forgiveness from God. And that it is reprehensible for you all (who I assume are "fabulous" Christians) will not forgive him for something that happened over 40 years ago.
Your invective toward him over this says more about YOU and your religious beliefs than anything I could ever say. And it's not pretty. It makes religion's tenets look like nothing than a bunch of hypocrisy. And you have yourselves to credit for that. Not me.
Jesus said: "Judge not, lest ye be judged."
Apparently you think Jesus is a sap. You and the others here, don't believe a word of what Jesus says. You've been judging Kennedy for 40 years!!!
Good job, Christians.
Obviously you disagree, again validating my point that the citizens of the Bay State are lacking in that particular quality.
But then, that's the blinkered, Philistine pig-ignorance you've come to expect from us non-creative garbage, innit?--Uncle P.
Again, this is tiresome. You can't get me on anything I actually wrote, so you just make stuff up. I challenge you to go back to my post on the sign scare in Boston and find where I say anything about how it was handled. I just questioned why the other cities didn't react as Boston did.
See. You set up a fake argument then attribute it to me, then shoot it down to make yourself feel superior.
Pathetic.
Well, Mrs. Green, it's certainly your right to call me (or my comments) "pathetic". It doesn't do much to elevate the tone of the debate, but I suppose that's what we have to put up with on the Internet, at least for the next 714 days or so.
Aside from that unpleasantness in 1969, what is the enormous damage to the country that Senator Kennedy has done? Here's a short list, as found in the generally hagiographic article on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_M_Kennedy):
Strong advocate of liberal principles.
Strong advocate of abortion rights.
Strong opponent of the Second Amendment and the constitutional right to bear arms.
Strong advocate of wind power and other alternative energy sources, except when visible from Hyannis, Massachusetts.
Strong advocate of homosexual marriage, whether or not anyone outside Massachusetts wants it.
Incidentally, I learned in that same article Senator Kennedy actually started to demonstrate some character in 1951, when he enlisted in the US Army after Harvard expelled him for cheating. Of course, his father, a noted Nazi sympathizer (
http://geobay.com/3ffa4c) , used his money and political power to get him discharged two years into what was supposed to be a four-year enlistment. (http://geobay.com/18bfe3) So I guess it’s not entirely his fault.
The American Conservative Union gave Senator Kennedy's 2005 voting record a zero rating out of 100 possible points, while the Americans for Democratic Action gave him 100 out of 100 possible, or so says the Detroit News (
http://geobay.com/4d8083).
These are all Good Things in Massachusetts, but in the rest of the country, not so much.
But let's forget for a moment the death of Mary Jo Kopechne (and whether or not it ensured that no Kennedy would sit in the oval office until well into the present century). You can draw your own conclusions about the Kennedy character from the published literature, as I have done.
Suppose Saddam Hussein were elected Mayor of Boston in a free and fair election (such as we have now in this country), are the voters who elected him responsible? I think so, at least for a second or subsequent term.
I say that what Senator Kennedy has done since he lost the Democratic nomination for President to Jimmy Carter in 1980 should be taken as reasons not to vote for him. The voters of Massachusetts disagree, and if the voters there aren't responsible for Edward M. Kennedy being in the Senate after all these years, tell me please, who is?
So, to somebody who thinks that the Kennedys are Bad News, yes, the voters of Massachusetts are to blame for them and the damage they do to the Republic. Obviously, you disagree with my contention that anything Senator Kennedy has done (even since, say, 1970) was bad. Neither do the citizens of Massachusetts. They like the Kennedys, otherwise they wouldn't keep sending them to Congress.
But again, this is off topic. The two guerilla marketers placed a number of devices that could easily be mistaken for bombs in the city where an airport security guard didn’t bother to search Mohammed Atta for weapons on the morning of September 11, 2001.
Let me be very clear about what I’m saying here: The reaction of the Boston public safety authorities has to be seen in the context of the 9/11 hijackers getting on American Airlines flight 11 at Logan International Airport. Liberals generally discount the possibility of more terrorist attacks. If somebody understands that there are people who want to kill us, and is willing to do something about it, I think that is a commendable manifestation of civic virtue.
As for exactly whose position is “pathetic”, I expect that a consensus will eventually emerge.
This is what you list as indictments against Senator Kennedy:
Strong advocate of liberal principles.
(The man is a liberal Democrat, afterall. What? You think he's gonna vote like Trent Lott?)
Strong advocate of abortion rights.
(Why is that a negative? It is not against the law to have an abortion.)
Strong opponent of the Second Amendment and the constitutional right to bear arms.
(I imagine if you had had two of your brothers murdered by guns, you'd have strong feelings about the 2nd Amendment, too.)
Strong advocate of wind power and other alternative energy sources, except when visible from Hyannis, Massachusetts.
(He's not the only one who lives in Hyannis. I have several friends who live there, and they were against the wind power project, too. But I disagreed with him on this one. So what. I don't agree with him on everything.)
Strong advocate of homosexual marriage, whether or not anyone outside Massachusetts wants it.
(I agree with him on this. It is a civil rights issue. Equal protection under the law. I promise you Senator Kennedy will not force you to marry your funny uncle.)
Incidentally, I learned in that same article Senator Kennedy actually started to demonstrate some character in 1951, when he enlisted in the US Army after Harvard expelled him for cheating.
(Of course, no Republican politician ever, ever did a stupid, unconscionable act when he or she was 20 and in college that was later regretted. No. Of course not. Edward Kennedy is the ONLY politician who has ever done a stupid thing when he was young.
This is getting boring. You and the people who come here have an unhealthy obsession with Teddy. You spend so much time ferreting out things from his past. Do you find time to do anything else? Like get better mileage from your gas guzzling cars?)
Of course, his father, a noted Nazi sympathizer...
(Oh please, his father. Yes. Whatever your father was or wasn't in your lifetime is something you are responsible for? How do you live with youself? You're now blaming Ted Kennedy for what his father was? And Ted Kenned loved his father, faults and all. There's a friggin' Commandment that says you have to honor your mother and father. But, of course, being the "fabulous" Christian that you are, you believe Teddy should break that Commandment. Right? You tell me. PS. Google Prescott Bush and Nazi.)
"...used his money and political power to get him discharged two years into what was supposed to be a four-year enlistment. (http://geobay.com/18bfe3) So I guess it’s not entirely his fault."
(I have four words for you: Texas Air National Guard. Please.
Get over your Teddy obsession.
He is well liked here in Massachusetts and respected in the Senate. Orrin Hatch, fergawdsake, is his bestest friend.)
Suppose Saddam Hussein were elected Mayor of Boston in a free and fair election (such as we have now in this country), are the voters who elected him responsible? I think so, at least for a second or subsequent term.
(You are comparing Ted Kennedy to Saddam Hussein here, at least that's the implication. You have to crawl down pretty far into the sewer to find slime like that.
Let's see, you've implied Senator Kennedy has Nazi connections through his father, and that the policies he advocates and supports are as bad as Saddam Hussein's were.
I'm positively amazed at how people like you live off of your fear and hatred of Senator Kennedy. You must be very thin.
So, you're saying that enlisting in the US Army at age 20 was a stupid thing for Edward Kennedy to do, Mrs. Green? John Kerry was in the Navy and spent 94 days in Vietnam. He still has the hat. Was that stupid, too? Rep. John Rangel (D-NY) said so a couple of months ago, articulating the contempt most liberals feel for the people who serve in the military. Senator Kennedy's enlistment in the US Army was an act of patriotism, which was short-circuited by his father's political leanings and money.
John Kerry and Edward Kennedy are what they are and the voters of Massachusetts don't have a problem with that. It's only people in the rest of the country who find them objectionable.
But let's move on from Massachusetts politicians and how they line up on the food chain with Stalin and Saddam.
I say that for a citizen to notify the authorities of a suspicious looking package is an act of civic virtue and for the municipal authorities in a city with a history of terrorist violence to take the report seriously demonstrates a high level of concern for public safety.
You disagree with that assessment, it seems.
So, you're saying that enlisting in the US Army at age 20 was a stupid thing for Edward Kennedy to do, Mrs. Green?--Uncle P.
Do you know how to read? Where exactly do I say that, except in your illogical perception? Please copy and paste those words that say that. Do you know logic? Reasoning?
It's only people in the rest of the country who find them objectionable.--Uncle P.
Really? Then explain the November 2006 elections, and Bush's 28% approval rating. Do you enjoy living in your fantasy world?
But let's move on from Massachusetts politicians and how they line up on the food chain with Stalin and Saddam.--Uncle P.
Whoa, Uncle P., that's a nasty thing to say about Mitt Romney. John Adams? Heh.
I say that for a citizen to notify the authorities of a suspicious looking package is an act of civic virtue and for the municipal authorities in a city with a history of terrorist violence to take the report seriously demonstrates a high level of concern for public safety.
You disagree with that assessment, it seems.--Uncle P.
Again, never said it. You try mighty hard to put words in my mouth, sir. And that's because you haven't any in your own.
Come back when you learn how to argue. Until then, go back to your sandbox.
That was a so much fun! Americans have it so good to be able to have discussion and not have government interfere. In all the other countries of the world you have your words taken down and you will answer for them if the government no like.
Signora Green, your Senator Kennedy is like cartoon character to rest of world, he cause American quite the embarrassment, he laughing stock but I know it no matter to people of your state because, how you say? "he bring home bacon".
That's how the rest of corrupt world work, why do people that call themselve noble American put up with that? Do you want to lower your standing with rest of world and become like them?
To the rest of America and world it appear that your Senator Kennedy has become like baby diaper, it full, it smell bad and for the health and well being of baby it should be change.
Signora Green, your Senator Kennedy is like cartoon character to rest of world, he cause American quite the embarrassment, he laughing stock but I know it no matter to people of your state because, how you say? "he bring home bacon".--LB
You're forgetting Republican Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska and his $25 million bridge to nowhere. You do understand that ALL senators "bring home the bacon." But not as well as the Republican controlled 109th Congress did.
To the rest of America and world it appear that your Senator Kennedy has become like baby diaper, it full, it smell bad and for the health and well being of baby it should be change.--LB
I've noticed something on these right-wing blogs: The lower Bush sinks in his approval ratings, the louder you guys scream TED KENNEDY!
Is that all you got? 'Cause if it is, you got nothin'.
And don't bet the children's college fund on who'd be more popular in the rest of the world if it were a contest between Ted Kennedy and George Bush. Heh.
Actually, Mrs. Green, I can live with myself pretty well. But then, my father wasn't a Nazi sympathizer.
You wanted me to cut and paste where you said
(Of course, no Republican politician ever, ever did a stupid, unconscionable act when he or she was 20 and in college that was later regretted. No. Of course not. Edward Kennedy is the ONLY politician who has ever done a stupid thing when he was young.
Well, that works both ways. Because it's not clear from the post whether the "stupid, unconscionable act" you mention referred to Senator Kennedy being expelled from Harvard for cheating on a Spanish final, or to him enlisting in the US Army, I thought I'd better check. Here's what I actually said:
So, you're saying that enlisting in the US Army at age 20 was a stupid thing for Edward Kennedy to do, Mrs. Green?
Apparently that was too subtle. I'll make a note for the future.
However, you can call me all the names you want, and you can criticize my religious beliefs (which, since I've never articulated them in this forum, I can't imagine how you know what they are), but all you've done is to validate a minor, collateral point in my post.
There is a set of facts relating to Senator Kennedy. Everybody knows those facts, and there is no disagreement about what those facts are. Using those facts, I conclude that Senator Kennedy is a Bad Guy. Using those same facts, you conclude that Senator Kennedy is a Good Guy.
But it's time to move on. It seems to be important to you to have the last word, so by all means, proceed.
I knew you'd look to see if I answered you, Uncle P. Of course I'll answer. You misrepresent everything I say, so I HAVE to answer you.
Because it's not clear from the post whether the "stupid, unconscionable act" you mention referred to Senator Kennedy being expelled from Harvard for cheating on a Spanish final, or to him enlisting in the US Army.
See. You have such a twisted and skewed view of liberals, you actually believe I would refer to Senator Kennedy's enlistment in the army as "stupid and unconscionable?"
For the record, I was referring to his cheating in Harvard. And it's disengenuous of you to think otherwise.
And for the record, using these facts, I can only conclude that this is a Bad Guy:
Under Texas law, each death penalty case has one chance to be reprieved by a governor without the recommendation of the Board of Pardons and Paroles. The board must recommend the second reprieve in order for it to be granted. All 18 members of the Board of Pardons and Paroles are appointed by the governor (Clark, 2000). Before Karla Faye Tucker was executed, there were pleas for clemency from Waly Bacre Ndiaye, the United Nations commissioner on summary and arbitrary executions, the World Council of Churches, Pope John Paul II, and Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi, among other world figures. Unusual pleas came from conservative American political figures such as Newt Gingrich and Pat Robertson, interceding on her behalf. Tucker did not ask for a pardon, only commutation of her death sentence to life in prison. Huntsville Prison's warden testified that she was a model prisoner and that, after 14 years on death row, she likely had been reformed. Despite these pleas, Bush signed her death warrant.
In 1999, during the 2000 Republican Presidential primary race, conservative commentator Tucker Carlson interviewed Bush for Talk Magazine (September 1999, p. 106). Excerpt from this interview is quoted below:
In the weeks before the execution, Bush says, a number of protesters came to Austin to demand clemency for Karla Faye Tucker. "Did you meet with any of them?" I ask. Bush whips around and stares at me. "No, I didn't meet with any of them," he snaps, as though I've just asked the dumbest, most offensive question ever posed. "I didn't meet with Larry King either when he came down for it. I watched his interview with Tucker, though. He asked her real difficult questions like, 'What would you say to Governor Bush?'" "What was her answer?" I wonder. "'Please,'" Bush whimpers, his lips pursed in mock desperation, "'don't kill me.'" I must look shocked — ridiculing the pleas of a condemned prisoner who has since been executed seems odd and cruel — because he immediately stops smirking.
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