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October 16, 2008

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The Real Winner Of The Debate Lastnight? Joe The Plumber!!

Joe The Plumber: Obama Tax Plan 'Infuriates Me'

John McCain may have found a blue-collar face to help him argue that no American not even the richest 5 percent should pay higher taxes.

"Joe The Plumber" has weighed in on Wednesday's presidential debate and he says that Barack Obama's tax plan "infuriates me."

"To be honest with you, that infuriates me," plumber Joe Wurzelbacher told Nightline's Terry Moran. "It's not right for someone to decide you made too much that you've done too good and now we're going to take some of it back."

"That's just completely wrong," he added.

Wurzelbacher told Nightline he heard some "scuttlebutt" that he might be raised at Wednesday's debate. He added, however, that he was not formally told by the McCain campaign of the Senator's plans.

The plumber's brush with fame began on Sunday when he confronted Barack Obama outside of Toledo, Ohio. Wurzelbacher challenged the Democratic candidate on his plan to raise taxes on the top five percent of earners a policy which would, by the Obama campaign's own estimation, mean higher taxes for 184,000 small businesses.

"I'm getting ready to buy a company that makes 250 to 280 thousand dollars a year," Wurzelbacher told Obama. "Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn't it?

Under Obama's plan, individuals making more than $200,000 per year, or couples making more than $250,000 per year, would pay higher taxes on income, capital gains, and dividends. Starting ten years from now, Obama supports an additional 2-4 percent tax on individual income above $250,000 per year to help shore up the Social Security system.

To evaluate how Wurzelbacher and his wife would fare under Obama, one would need to know his wife's income (if any) plus what the plumber meant when he told Obama that the company he is getting ready to buy "makes" $250,000 - $280,000 per year.

Was Wurzelbacher referring to gross revenue or net profits?

Obama's higher taxes on small businesses would be leveled against those whose net profits exceed $250,000 per year, according to Obama's campaign.

While at least 184,000 small businesses would face higher taxes under Obama, the Illinois Democrat is also proposing a series of tax credits that could aid small businesses.

Obama has proposed a $3,000 tax credit for every new job that companies create in the United States over the next two years, a small business health tax credit on up to 50 percent of employee premiums paid by employers, and elimination of capital gains taxes on investments in small and start-up businesses.

Regardless of how Wurzelbacher would personally fare under the candidates' plans, he suggested to ABC News' Nightline that he is against all forms of progressive taxation.

During his telephone interview with ABC News, the Ohio plumber argued that the government should not tax some Americans at a higher percentage than others and argued that this principle should extend not only to taxpayers at his income-level but also to the world's richest man.

"I don't like it," said Wurzelbacher. "You know, me or you know, Bill Gates, I don't care who you are. If you worked for it, if it was your idea, and you implemented it, it's not right for someone to decide you made too much."

Story Here
Better watch out Joe! Obama's thug's are coming to get you! You dared to question the Messiah? You dared get thrown from out of no where right into the middle of this Presidential Election? You dared to take some of the spotlight off the Messiah? I would request some sort of protection now Joe!



Blogger Mark said...

For the record, Marie...When someone says they make money, they are referring to net income, or profit.

I posted my thoughts on the debate before I looked at any blogs or web sites so my thoughts are my own opinion. I also sent it in to the local newspaper in hopes they will publish it.

October 16, 2008 10:46 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...





McCain discovers plumber no ordinary Joe


After making Joseph Wurzelbacher famous, McCain learned 3 key facts -- Joe owes back taxes, isn't licensed and Obama's plan would cut Joe's taxes.

NEW YORK – John McCain hung his final presidential debate performance on an Ohio plumber who campaign aides never vetted.

A day after making Joseph Wurzelbacher famous, referencing him in the debate almost two dozen times as someone who would pay higher taxes under Barack Obama, McCain learned the fine print Thursday on the plumber’s not-so-tidy personal story: He owes back taxes. He is not a licensed plumber. And it turns out that Wurzelbacher makes less than $250,000 a year, which means he would receive a tax cut if Obama were elected president.

McCain likes to say that he isn’t George W. Bush – and in this case of bungled public relations, it is clear he is not. The famously-disciplined Bush campaign operation would likely have found the perfect anonymous citizen to illustrate a policy proposal, rather than spontaneously wrap itself around an unknown entity with so many asterisks.

While the arc of Wurzelbacher’s breakneck trip through the news cycle – from private citizen to insta-celebrity to political target – offers a curious insight into the political media culture, it also appears to offer a glimpse into the McCain campaign’s on-the-fly decisionmaking style.

A McCain source said Thursday that the campaign read about Wurzelbacher on the Drudge Report, while another campaign aide confirmed that he was not vetted. Senior McCain adviser Matt McDonald told Politico after the debate that Wurzelbacher was not aware that he would become central to the candidates’ third and final showdown, although Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday that the McCain campaign contacted him earlier in the week to ask him to appear with the candidate at a Toledo rally scheduled for Sunday. (He may not make it, now that he's scheduled to be in New York for TV interviews.)

“Joe, if you're watching, I'm sorry,” McCain said Thursday, referring to the press attention that the Ohio man had received, during a taping of the Late Show with David Letterman.

October 16, 2008 9:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"The Real Winner Of The Debate Lastnight? Joe The Plumber"

Don't think for one second that the Obama camp is going to let this go by unanswered.
They are already investigating him and before too long they will destrou him.

October 17, 2008 7:53 AM  
Blogger Myself said...

And while Barack is berating plumbers his wife is reported to be dining on lobster and champagne at the waldorf Astoria hotel.
These "middle class people" need to really look into the person they are cheering for.

October 17, 2008 3:19 PM  
Blogger Bushwack said...

Funny how the Obamatrons will go the extra mile to investigate an 80% approved state Governor, they send HUNDREDS of media and investigators to dig up dirt on her. And a plumber, they camp outside his house and dig through his trash...But Rev Wright, William Ayers, Rezko, Phlegar, ACORN and all the other Barack Hussein Obama transgressions are overlooked. *Sigh*

I feel the citizens of America are getting the shaft again...

Anyone ever wondered why there are no plumbers or mechanics or retail sales people representing "We the People" it's only Lawyers and Career Politicians in congress and we need to vote ALL of them out.

October 17, 2008 10:45 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...


Whatever the personal baggage is of Joe the Plumber, his question remains valid, as is the revealing candid response it pulled from Senator Obama. One of those off-guard moments when the mask has been dropped.

Funny how the Obamatrons will go the extra mile to investigate an 80% approved state Governor, they send HUNDREDS of media and investigators to dig up dirt on her. And a plumber, they camp outside his house and dig through his trash...But Rev Wright, William Ayers, Rezko, Phlegar, ACORN and all the other Barack Hussein Obama transgressions are overlooked. *Sigh*


October 18, 2008 9:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"3 key facts", eh? Would that be anything like Mr. Biden's "three-letter word: J-O-B-S"?

October 18, 2008 11:58 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Smithy, That's the exact point I made on my blog at least 4 hours before i heard anyone else say it.
OBama's press secretaries(The media)are practicing the art of misdirection and obfuscation. They are attempting to get Americans to focus on the questioner instead of Obama's answer, which reveals him to be a Marxist.

October 18, 2008 2:56 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...


In what context do you use the word "marxist"? Can you be more specific?
Just flinging that term out there like that makes me think that you have no idea what you're talking about, just merely regurgitating Fox News talking points.

October 19, 2008 5:44 AM  
Blogger J_G said...

faux guy asked...In what context do you use the word "marxist"?

Well, just take a look in the mirror faux guy that's a marxist. Read anything Bill Ayhjers has written, that's a marxist. Go listen to Obama, that's a marxist. I thought you said you had an education. You might want to check and see if you can get a refund for the time and money that was wasted on you.

October 19, 2008 11:17 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...


You're so darn cute when you get in WAY over your head, which is often.

When we discuss Marxism J_G, you should really sit that one out. You have no education and you have about as much chance at grasping the complexities of the argument as Sarah Palin would.

But you can continue to type one-liners to avoid saying anything of substance...I would expect nothing less. You are a fine representative of the McSame campaign: name-calling and one-liners as a cloaking device because you have ZERO solutions.

You embody the post I submitted on my blog Saturday. Big words are not your friends, J_G.

Come back when you're all grown up.

October 20, 2008 6:14 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Obama is indicted by his own actions:

His His hero is Saul Alinsky, who was an avowed Marxist. Obama taught a law class where he taught straight out of Alinsky's book, "Rules for Radicals".

His mentor was a man named Frank Marshall Davis, a man about whom Barry himself wrote, "[A] Poet Named Frank Who Lived In A Dilapidated House In A Run-Down Section Of Waikiki. He Had Enjoyed Some Modest Notoriety Once, Was A Contemporary Of Richard Wright And Langston Hughes During His Years In Chicago…." (Barack Obama, Dreams From My Father, 1995, p. 76)

"'Frank,' You See, Was None Other Than Frank Marshall Davis - A Notorious Member Of The Communist Party…'" (Carter L. Clews, Op-Ed, "Identity Thrall," The Washington Times, 7/30/08)

Communism is just another form of Marxism, as is Socialism. The words are interchangable for Obama's nefarious purpose.

Baracks heros are all Marxist. Now, could you seriously separate yourself from all your hero's ideologies? I can't. My hero's are all Conservatives, and so am I.

Is your hero Obama? Then perhaps you are a Marxist, too.

October 20, 2008 7:57 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Oh, and by the way, Both Barry and his wife, Michelle used quotes directly out of Alinsky's book in their speeches before the democratic convention.

And, he uesd a paraphrase from Marx himself, when he answered Joe's question, as I said.

He is enthusiastically endorsed by the Communist party of the United States.

He is a Marxist. The evidence is conclusive and overwhelming.

October 20, 2008 8:00 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...


According to your adolescent logic, then every history teacher in America who teaches about Hitler and Nazi Germany, is then a Nazi? Brilliant.

But then again, that fits perfectly with the neoconservative post 9-11 ideology: whatever you choose to study and become aware of you must LOVE IT and SUPPORT IT UNCONDITIONALLY!

So...Warren Buffett, Colin Powell, nearly every major news publication in the U.S. are all Communist/Marxist? Amazing. Who else knows about this?

Mark, Face it. You are regurgitating weak and empty talking points from Fox News. You have no idea what Marxism is and you are feeling your way around in the dark and hoping no one jumps out of the closet and scares you...


To simply type "Marxism" is like typing "Biology".

One of Lenin's famous quotes, "Learn, learn, learn".

October 20, 2008 12:03 PM  
Blogger Mark said...


Read it again, PUTZ!

I said He taught FROM Alinsky's book, not about it!

"nearly every major news publication in the U.S. are all Communist/Marxist? Amazing."

Exactly. Now you're getting it.

I rarely watch Fox news. In fact, I rarely watch news at all. I find news boring. I prefer comedys and suspense thrillers. But when I do watch news, I find Fox is much more fair and balanced than any other major network.

No, I hate to burst your bubble, I got my opinion of Obama from READING ABOUT HIS HISTORY!

You might try reading about your Marxist Hero sometime, insteadof getting all your info from Daily Kos.

October 20, 2008 4:54 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

You obviously don't enjoy dictionaries.

You did form your opinion from reading about Obama's history...from Newsmax, Fox News, Weekly Standard, etc. It's okay to not have an original thought Mark: Marie and J_G share that same trait.
Same tired Fox News talking points.

Daily Kos? They are as left as Fox is to the right. For entertainment purposes both sources are legitimate.

So, if in a literature class one is required to read Mein Kampf or is required to study Marxist literary criticism, then the professor and students are all Nazi and Marxist? Are you allowed to study the history of terrorism without being a terrorist? What if you study the history of Islam, are you then Muslim?

This is what is called socialist intellectualism. Freedom of thought is strictly prohibited.

Read more books instead of staring into your webcam.

October 20, 2008 9:43 PM  
Blogger Mark said...


I'm not going to continue to argue with you. Why? Not because you make points that are unassailable. But because you continue to pretend you misunderstand my points.

As I said, (for the third time) Obama wasn't teaching ABOUT Alinsky's book. He was teaching FROM it!

Not only that, but you failed to address the other evidences I pointed out that proves Obama is a Marxist.

Daily Kos? They are as left as Fox is to the right. For entertainment purposes both sources are legitimate.

You're kidding, right? Did you know the majority of the people who work at FOX are Democrats? They just want to do their jobs honestly, unlike the Democrats at NSNBC and ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN, aho are water carriers for the Democratic party.

As for Newsmax, Daily Standard, and I'll even throw in WND, I don't read them at all because they are as far right as MSNBC is left. Therefore they are no more fair and balanced than The Daily Kos.

Obviously, you've never actually spent any time watching FOX news. I mean NEWS! Yes, there are opinion programs on FOX that are decidely pro-Conservative, but their NEWS is fair and balanced. Much more balanced than the others.

You insult me. I have never been accused of getting my info from any of those publications. My readers know better. I make it a point to post my thoughts before I listen to radio or watch television. I don't read news magazines at all. Many times I am surprised to hear Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh or Hannity making points that I have already made, but I don't get my opinions from anywhere except my own brain.

You can't refute my points because they are unrefutable.

That's it. I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I have better things to do with my time than waste it arguing with lemming mentality Obama-blinded Liberals like you.

You are a PUTZ.

October 21, 2008 7:31 AM  
Anonymous Curious said...


Where did you find out that the majority of the people who work at Fox are Democrats?

October 21, 2008 8:17 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

more like joe the liar. What frickin plumber do you know that makes over 250K? this skinhead is a plant by McLame's imploding campaign.

Marie I see you haven't begun to bash Powell yet. I'm sure you're opposed to him now that he tells the truth about McSame and supports the best candidate. though of course you would have been all over it had he endorsed your grand pa McLimp.

Good luck in the next two weeks losers. Too bad Fred didn't make it this far, he actually would have been the better candidate who woul have thought it. At least he wouldn't have picked such a dud VP.

GOP = Joke!! LMAO

October 21, 2008 9:02 AM  
Blogger Mark said...

Curious, I don't remember. I heard it somewhere, or read it somewhere, but I don't remember now. I do remember it, though, because that's the kind of thing you remember, but I can't find any statistics regarding it on google. But that could be because I don't know what words to google.

I won't lie. I heard it or read it somewhere, but I can't find the reference.

If I'm wrong, I'll say I'm wrong. But that still doesn't change the point I made. Fox news is much more fair and balanced than any other network news. All one has to do is watch to see that.

October 21, 2008 9:16 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...


You're an idiot and that is perfectly okay.

You are the typical right-wing lemming that has become so obvious to everyone in America that no one listens to your false accusations, rumors, hearsay, hate speech and all of the other fear-based information you manufacture.

Were you in the class with Obama as he was teaching "from" Olinsky's book? What is the difference? If you are teaching a literature class, from where would you teach any novel? FROM the book! I'm not saying Olinsky's book is a novel. But to engage in any type of criticism, you first need to have the text opened and read the black parts on the page, not the white parts. No, that wasn't intended to be racial.

Mark, you're in over your head. You thought blogging would be a great idea and that many people would find your writing clever and insightful. Unfortunately, you have run into people who are galactically more intelligent than you and you are becoming resentful.

I'm sure you are a good person with a good heart. You're just not terribly intellectual. Embrace it.

October 21, 2008 10:24 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


I have been so sick I havent been getting around to everybody but I am now.


You know how stupid you sound?

You are attacking a "Private Citizen"!

I thought the Democrats were the party FOR the people?

Yet you attack the normal working Joe? (Pun) intended!

October 22, 2008 11:04 AM  

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