Jeremiah Wasnt A Bullfrog, He Was A Muslim
Crossposted From Infidels Are Cool
Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim
April 07th 2008
A reader from Free Republic has dug up an old article last year (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim.
From Wright and others, Obama learned that part of his problem as an organizer was that he was trying to build a confederation of churches but wasn’t showing up in the pews on Sunday. When pastors asked him the inevitable questions about his own spiritual life, Obama would duck them uncomfortably. A Reverend Philips put the problem to him squarely when he learned that Obama didn’t attend services. “It might help your mission if you had a church home,” he told Obama. “It doesn’t matter where, really. What you’re asking from pastors requires us to set aside some of our more priestly concerns in favor of prophesy. That requires a good deal of faith on our part. It makes us want to know just where you’re getting yours from.”
After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”
The crosscurrents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. “It was a powerful program, this cultural community,” he wrote, “one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing.”
As a result, over the years, Wright became not only Obama’s pastor, but his mentor. The title of Obama’s recent book, The Audacity of Hope, is based on a sermon by Wright. (It’s worth noting, however, that, while Obama’s book is a coolheaded appeal for common ground in an age of political polarization, Wright’s sermon, “The Audacity to Hope,” is a fiery jeremiad about persevering in a world of nuclear arms and racial inequality.) Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his Senate victory in 2004, and he recently name-checked Wright in his speech to civil rights leaders in Selma, Alabama.
So the question is, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that he’s a former Muslim? Could this be why Obama’s church posted a Hamas manifesto in the Trinity Church program last year? It obviously explains Wright’s affinity with Louis Farrakhan. It also explains more why Rev. Wright got his Masters degree in “Islam in West Africa”
This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. The American people are not ready to hand the reins to someone who’s associations are beyond sketchy.
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Well no wonder Rev. Wright goes bizzerk over "God Da** America", no wonder he sticks up for the Palestinians, this explains alot. As well as Obama's FULL Name. Obama HAD to know this.
Obama’s pastor Jeremiah Wright: Former Muslim
April 07th 2008
A reader from Free Republic has dug up an old article last year (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim.
From Wright and others, Obama learned that part of his problem as an organizer was that he was trying to build a confederation of churches but wasn’t showing up in the pews on Sunday. When pastors asked him the inevitable questions about his own spiritual life, Obama would duck them uncomfortably. A Reverend Philips put the problem to him squarely when he learned that Obama didn’t attend services. “It might help your mission if you had a church home,” he told Obama. “It doesn’t matter where, really. What you’re asking from pastors requires us to set aside some of our more priestly concerns in favor of prophesy. That requires a good deal of faith on our part. It makes us want to know just where you’re getting yours from.”
After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”
The crosscurrents appealed to Obama. He came to believe that the church could not only compensate for the limitations of Alinsky-style organizing but could help answer the nagging identity problem he had come to Chicago to solve. “It was a powerful program, this cultural community,” he wrote, “one more pliant than simple nationalism, more sustaining than my own brand of organizing.”
As a result, over the years, Wright became not only Obama’s pastor, but his mentor. The title of Obama’s recent book, The Audacity of Hope, is based on a sermon by Wright. (It’s worth noting, however, that, while Obama’s book is a coolheaded appeal for common ground in an age of political polarization, Wright’s sermon, “The Audacity to Hope,” is a fiery jeremiad about persevering in a world of nuclear arms and racial inequality.) Wright is one of the first people Obama thanked after his Senate victory in 2004, and he recently name-checked Wright in his speech to civil rights leaders in Selma, Alabama.
So the question is, why hasn’t anyone mentioned the fact that he’s a former Muslim? Could this be why Obama’s church posted a Hamas manifesto in the Trinity Church program last year? It obviously explains Wright’s affinity with Louis Farrakhan. It also explains more why Rev. Wright got his Masters degree in “Islam in West Africa”
This is just another blow to the Obama campaign. The American people are not ready to hand the reins to someone who’s associations are beyond sketchy.
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Well no wonder Rev. Wright goes bizzerk over "God Da** America", no wonder he sticks up for the Palestinians, this explains alot. As well as Obama's FULL Name. Obama HAD to know this.
Labels: Obama, Rev. Wright
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 9:32 AM
54 Comments:
ROFLMAO!!!
You're getting as bad as the 9/11 internal conspiracy theorists!
This is better than a mini-series.
Federalist,
I sure would want to know for sure if this guy is and how affiliated he really is with Muslims, The Nation Of Islam, and possible terrorist connections.
And if Obama has any knowledge of any of this.
I mean, we have the right to know if our next President has terrorist connections dont you think?
"I sure would want to know for sure"??
You sure may want to go back to school and learn to write. Sounds like you went to the same school as dubya.
pathetic....
Anonymous speaking of Idiot's did you read where it says "Think Up A Name Anonymous Sounds Idiotic"?
If you cant see what is going on here I cant help it if you are Mentally Hadicapped!
Marie:
Are all Palestinians Muslim?
Just curious...
This story is ridiculos Marie. Don't you think with all of the secret wiretapping and constitutional violations that the Bush Crime Family is involved in, that someone would know if Obama had any sort of ties with any type of terrorist organizations? Do you REALLY think he would have made it this far if he did?
Do you think someone on the blogosphere is going to stumble on to something that Dick Cheney doesn't already know? Are you that naive?
Wow...not sure if I want the answer to that question!
Fed,
Are all Palestinians Muslim?
Just curious...
I'm sure thier not, but Hamas is!
This story is ridiculos Marie. Don't you think with all of the secret wiretapping and constitutional violations that the Bush Crime Family is involved in, that someone would know if Obama had any sort of ties with any type of terrorist organizations? Do you REALLY think he would have made it this far if he did?
We shall see how rediculous this story is, did you read the link? C'Mon Constitutional Violations, Crime Family, Secret Wiretappings? You know if any of this were true Congress would have had that man hanging by a rope in front of the State Capitol Building. You know as well as I do that when running for President EVERYTHING get's found out or drug out eventually.
By The Way, if this is so secret, how do YOU know about it?
I know you hate the President but you are a bit out there.
Do you think someone on the blogosphere is going to stumble on to something that Dick Cheney doesn't already know? Are you that naive?
Wow...not sure if I want the answer to that question!
Do you really think that everything since any of the candidates have been born will be brought into question like alway's Dingbat?
Members of Trinity United Church of Christ squeezed into a downtown hotel ballroom in early March to celebrate the long service of their pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. One congregant stood out amid the flowers and finery: Senator Barack Obama, there to honor the man who led him from skeptic to self-described Christian.
Sarah Hussein Obama of Kenya, Barack Obama’s stepgrandmother, is a lifelong Muslim. “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” she says.
Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service
In Chicago, Mr. Obama embraced Christianity under the tutelage of the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., known for sometimes inflammatory views.
Twenty years ago at Trinity, Mr. Obama, then a community organizer in poor Chicago neighborhoods, found the African-American community he had sought all his life, along with professional credibility as a community organizer and an education in how to inspire followers. He had sampled various faiths but adopted none until he met Mr. Wright, a dynamic pastor who preached Afrocentric theology, dabbled in radical politics and delivered music-and-profanity-spiked sermons.
Few of those at Mr. Wright’s tribute in March knew of the pressures that Mr. Obama’s presidential run was placing on the relationship between the pastor and his star congregant. Mr. Wright’s assertions of widespread white racism and his scorching remarks about American government have drawn criticism, and prompted the senator to cancel his delivery of the invocation when he formally announced his candidacy in February.
Mr. Obama, a Democratic presidential candidate who says he was only shielding his pastor from the spotlight, said he respected Mr. Wright’s work for the poor and his fight against injustice. But “we don’t agree on everything,” Mr. Obama said. “I’ve never had a thorough conversation with him about all aspects of politics.”
It is hard to imagine, though, how Mr. Obama can truly distance himself from Mr. Wright. The Christianity that Mr. Obama adopted at Trinity has infused not only his life, but also his campaign. He began his presidential announcement with the phrase “Giving all praise and honor to God,” a salutation common in the black church. He titled his second book, “The Audacity of Hope,” after one of Mr. Wright’s sermons, and often talks about biblical underdogs, the mutual interests of religious and secular America, and the centrality of faith in public life.
The day after the party for Mr. Wright, Mr. Obama stood in an A.M.E. church pulpit in Selma, Ala., and cast his candidacy in nothing short of biblical terms, implicitly comparing himself to Joshua, known for his relative inexperience, steadfast faith and completion of Moses’ mission of delivering his people to the Promised Land.
“Be strong and have courage, for I am with you wherever you go,” Mr. Obama said in paraphrasing God’s message to Joshua.
It is difficult to tell whether Mr. Obama’s religious and political beliefs are fused or simply run parallel. The junior senator from Illinois often talks of faith as a moral force essential for solving America’s vexing problems. Like Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and John Edwards, his fellow Democratic candidates, he expresses both a political and a religious obligation to help the downtrodden. Like conservative Christians, he speaks of AIDS as a moral crisis. And like his pastor, Mr. Obama opposes the Iraq war.
His embrace of faith was a sharp change for a man whose family offered him something of a crash course in comparative religion but no belief to call his own. “He comes from a very secular, skeptical family,” said Jim Wallis, a Christian antipoverty activist and longtime friend of Mr. Obama. “His faith is really a personal and an adult choice. His is a conversion story.”
The grandparents who helped raise Mr. Obama were nonpracticing Baptists and Methodists. His mother was an anthropologist who collected religious texts the way others picked up tribal masks, teaching her children the inspirational power of the common narratives and heroes.
His mother’s tutelage took place mostly in Indonesia, in the household of Mr. Obama’s stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, a nominal Muslim who hung prayer beads over his bed but enjoyed bacon, which Islam forbids.
“My whole family was Muslim, and most of the people I knew were Muslim,” said Maya Soetoro-Ng, Mr. Obama’s younger half sister. But Mr. Obama attended a Catholic school and then a Muslim public school where the religious education was cursory. When he was 10, he returned to his birthplace of Hawaii to live with his grandparents and attended a preparatory school with a Christian affiliation but little religious instruction.
Years later, Mr. Obama met his father’s family, a mix of Muslim and Christian Kenyans. Sarah Hussein Obama, who is his stepgrandmother but whom Mr. Obama calls his grandmother, still rises at 5 a.m. to pray before tending to her crops and the three orphans she has taken in.
“I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” Ms. Obama, 85, said in a recent interview in Kenya.
From Skepticism to Belief
This polyglot background made Mr. Obama tolerant of others’ faiths yet reluctant to join one, said Mr. Wright, the pastor. In an interview in March in his office, filled with mementos from his 35 years at Trinity, Mr. Wright recalled his first encounters with Mr. Obama in the late 1980s, when the future senator was organizing Chicago neighborhoods. Though minister after minister told Mr. Obama he would be more credible if he joined a church, he was not a believer.
“I remained a reluctant skeptic, doubtful of my own motives, wary of expedient conversion, having too many quarrels with God to accept a salvation too easily won,” he wrote in his first book, “Dreams From My Father.”
Still, Mr. Obama was entranced by Mr. Wright, whose sermons fused analysis of the Bible with outrage at what he saw as the racism of everything from daily life in Chicago to American foreign policy. Mr. Obama had never met a minister who made pilgrimages to Africa, welcomed women leaders and gay members and crooned Teddy Pendergrass rhythm and blues from the pulpit. Mr. Wright was making Trinity a social force, initiating day care, drug counseling, legal aid and tutoring. He was also interested in the world beyond his own; in 1984, he traveled to Cuba to teach Christians about the value of nonviolent protest and to Libya to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, along with the Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Mr. Wright said his visits implied no endorsement of their views.
Followers were also drawn simply by Mr. Wright’s appeal. Trinity has 8,500 members today, making it the largest American congregation in the United Church of Christ, a mostly white denomination known for the independence of its congregations and its willingness to experiment with traditional Protestant theology.
Mr. Wright preached black liberation theology, which interprets the Bible as the story of the struggles of black people, who by virtue of their oppression are better able to understand Scripture than those who have suffered less. That message can sound different to white audiences, said Dwight Hopkins, a professor at University of Chicago Divinity School and a Trinity member. “Some white people hear it as racism in reverse,” Dr. Hopkins said, while blacks hear, “Yes, we are somebody, we’re also made in God’s image.”
Audacity and Hope
It was a 1988 sermon called “The Audacity to Hope” that turned Mr. Obama, in his late 20s, from spiritual outsider to enthusiastic churchgoer. Mr. Wright in the sermon jumped from 19th-century art to his own youthful brushes with crime and Islam to illustrate faith’s power to inspire underdogs. Mr. Obama was seeing the same thing in public housing projects where poor residents sustained themselves through sheer belief.
In “Dreams From My Father,” Mr. Obama described his teary-eyed reaction to the minister’s words. “Inside the thousands of churches across the city, I imagined the stories of ordinary black people merging with the stories of David and Goliath, Moses and Pharaoh, the Christians in the lion’s den, Ezekiel’s field of dry bones,” Mr. Obama wrote. “Those stories — of survival, and freedom, and hope — became our story, my story.”
Mr. Obama was baptized that year, and joining Trinity helped him “embrace the African-American community in a way that was whole and profound,” said Ms. Soetoro, his half sister.
It also helped give him spiritual bona fides and a new assurance. Services at Trinity were a weekly master class in how to move an audience. When Mr. Obama arrived at Harvard Law School later that year, where he fortified himself with recordings of Mr. Wright’s sermons, he was delivering stirring speeches as a student leader in the classic oratorical style of the black church.
But he developed a tone very different from his pastor’s. In contrast with Mr. Wright — the kind of speaker who could make a grocery list sound like a jeremiad — Mr. Obama speaks with cool intellect and on-the-one-hand reasoning. He tends to emphasize the reasonableness of all people; Mr. Wright rallies his parishioners against oppressors.
While Mr. Obama stated his opposition to the Iraq war in conventional terms, Mr. Wright issued a “War on Iraq I.Q. Test,” with questions like, “Which country do you think poses the greatest threat to global peace: Iraq or the U.S.?”
In the 16 years since Mr. Obama returned to Chicago from Harvard, Mr. Wright has presided over his wedding ceremony, baptized his two daughters and dedicated his house, while Mr. Obama has often spoken at Trinity’s panels and debates. Though the Obamas drop in on other congregations, they treat Trinity as their spiritual home, attending services frequently. The church’s Afrocentric focus makes Mr. Obama a figure of particular authenticity there, because he has the African connections so many members have searched for.
To the many members who, like the Obamas, are the first generation in their families to achieve financial success, the church warns against “middleclassness,” its term for selfish individualism, and urges them to channel their gains back into the community.
Mr. Obama has written that when he became a Christian, he “felt God’s spirit beckoning” and “submitted myself to His will and dedicated myself to discovering His truth.” While he has said he shares core Christian beliefs in God and in Jesus as his resurrected son, he sometimes mentions doubts. In his second book, he admitted uncertainty about the afterlife, and “what existed before the Big Bang.” Generally, Mr. Obama emphasizes the communal aspects of religion over the supernatural ones.
Bridging Religious Divides
He has said that he relies on Mr. Wright to ensure “that I am speaking as truthfully about what I believe as possible.” He tends to turn to his minister at moments of frustration, Mr. Wright said, such as when Mr. Obama felt a Congressional Black Caucus meeting was heavier on entertainment than substance.
As a presidential candidate, Mr. Obama is reaching out to both liberal skeptics and committed Christians. In many speeches or discussions, he never mentions religion. When Mr. Obama, a former constitutional law professor, does speak of faith, he tends to add a footnote about keeping church and state separate.
But he also talks of building a consensus among secular liberal and conservative Christian voters. Mr. Wallis, the antipoverty advocate who calls himself a “progressive evangelical,” first met Mr. Obama 10 years ago when both participated in traveling seminars on American civic life. On bus rides, Mr. Wallis and Mr. Obama would huddle, away from company like George Stephanopoulos and Ralph Reed, to plot building a coalition of progressive and religious voters.
“The problems of poverty and racism, the uninsured and the unemployed, are not simply technical problems in search of the perfect 10 point plan,” Mr. Obama says in one of his standard campaign lines. “They are rooted in both societal indifference and individual callousness — in the imperfections of man.”
He often makes reference to the civil rights movement, when liberals used Christian rhetoric to win change.
Mr. Obama reassures liberal audiences about the role of religion in public life, and he tells conservative Christians that he understands why abortion horrifies them and why they may prefer to curb H.I.V. through abstinence instead of condoms. AIDS has spread in part because “the relationship between men and women, between sexuality and spirituality, has broken down, and needs to be repaired,” he said to thunderous applause in December at the megachurch in California led by the Rev. Rick Warren, a best-selling author.
At the same time, Mr. Obama’s ties to Trinity have become more complicated than those simply of proud congregation and favorite son. Since Mr. Obama announced his candidacy, the church has received threatening phone calls. On blogs and cable news shows, conservative critics have called it separatist and antiwhite.
Congregants respond by saying critics are misreading the church’s tenets, that it is a warm and accepting community and is not hostile to whites. But Mr. Wright’s political statements may be more controversial than his theological ones. He has said that Zionism has an element of “white racism.” (For its part, the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Mr. Wright.)
On the Sunday after the terrorist attacks of 9/11, Mr. Wright said the attacks were a consequence of violent American policies. Four years later he wrote that the attacks had proved that “people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West went on its merry way of ignoring Black concerns.”
Provocative Assertions
Such statements involve “a certain deeply embedded anti-Americanism,” said Michael Cromartie, vice president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, a conservative group that studies religious issues and public policy. “A lot of people are going to say to Mr. Obama, are these your views?”
Mr. Obama says they are not.
“The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification,” he said in a recent interview. He was not at Trinity the day Mr. Wright delivered his remarks shortly after the attacks, Mr. Obama said, but “it sounds like he was trying to be provocative.”
“Reverend Wright is a child of the 60s, and he often expresses himself in that language of concern with institutional racism and the struggles the African-American community has gone through,” Mr. Obama said. “He analyzes public events in the context of race. I tend to look at them through the context of social justice and inequality.”
Despite the canceled invocation, Mr. Wright prayed with the Obama family just before his presidential announcement. Asked later about the incident, the Obama campaign said in a statement, “Senator Obama is proud of his pastor and his church.”
In March, Mr. Wright said in an interview that his family and some close associates were angry about the canceled address, for which they blamed Obama campaign advisers but that the situation was “not irreparable,” adding, “Several things need to happen to fix it.”
Asked if he and Mr. Wright had patched up their differences, Mr. Obama said: “Those are conversations between me and my pastor.”
Mr. Wright, who has long prided himself on criticizing the establishment, said he knew that he may not play well in Mr. Obama’s audition for the ultimate establishment job.
“If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me,” Mr. Wright said with a shrug. “I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen.”
Reuben Kyama contributed reporting from Nyangoma-Kogelo, Kenya.
{Straight From the NYT}
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/politics/30obama.html?pagewanted=all
Marie, this is just what is needed to get Obama ousted, as he should be. I'm so glad you came across this! Of course as you can see by the liberals posting here in your comment thread, they would stick up for Obama if it were proved he had associations with satan himself!
Judy,
That's kind of a long post there but thank's for the info :-)
You are welcome here anytime.
Yeah Gayle,
I've noticed that.
I also think if the Liberals werent so worried about it, there wouldnt be such a fuss :-)
I didn't expect you to answer that question about whether you thought all Palestinians were Muslim. Armed with mere right-wing talking points and only a high school education Marie, it would be an unreasonable and unfair expectation that you quite simply are incapable of reaching.
With such ground breaking news Marie, it is an absolute mystery why no one has picked up on the ALLEGED FACT BY MARIE AND HER FRIENDS that Jeremiah Wright was a Muslim a year ago.
That is mind-boggling. The only thing that tops that is that you actually believe it.
I've never read such complete, authentic ignorance as I have on this blog over the past 6 months. Just when I thought the levels of lunacy, dishonesty and idiocy had reached their full potential, I'm insanely surprised each and every time. I come on here as if I'm going to suddenly read some resemblance of truth or some form of factual evidence.
How sweet it must be to drown in such a sea of fantasy---where facts, truth and logic are nonexistent and everyone cosigns each other's BS.
This should be a case study for a social psychologist or anthropologist.
This makes me grateful for my education. If my doctorate serves no other purpose than to keep me from sliding into the abyss of ignorance and stupidity then it is money spent more wisely than I had ever imagined.
And poor J_G. Her education is a feather above that of the other lemmings but yet feels far more intellectually superior. She relies on that Navy experience like an old high school star athlete romanticizes the good ‘ol days, now a factory worker, drunk at the nearby tavern still talking about that "state championship game where I threw a no-hitter"(hiccup). She's consumed with frustration and resentment towards others who are clearly more aware and more educated. (This is what Aristotle talks about in "Nicomachean Ethics" about maintaining your intellect over emotion)
This is too easy. Maybe that is my fascination with this blog. It's like playing tee ball with 6 year olds. I really should let you guys win sometime...
good posts federalist keep visiting. I've been LMAO at marie and her pathetic posse for a long time now. I don't know sometimes whether to pity them or laugh out loud at the bigotry hatred and ignorance.
Marie, might i suggest some therapy? You really are quite nuts!
"Jeremiah Wasnt A Bullfrog, He Was A Muslim"
More like a "bull****er", but I digress...
I found this interesting in your piece:
Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”
There's nothing wrong, in and of itself, with someone searching for identity and roots; but what comes across, for me, is a political empty suit who has fabricated this facade of being post-racial and trans-cultural, above the grime and baggage of racial fixation. Yet having embraced the Trinity United Church of Christ and Reverend Wright, Senator Obama deserves all the scrutiny he's been getting from his association to such a divisive, Afro-Zinn-tric church.
If I remember correctly, Marie, George W. Bush went to Yale, where he got better grades than John F(ing) Kerry (who, by the way, served in Vietnam).
If Mr. Wright really had been a Muslim before becoming a Christian, how come the other Muslims haven't killed him already?
I can believe that Wright is a Muslim--his rhetoric reminds me of the Black Muslim movement.
Fed,
I didn't expect you to answer that question about whether you thought all Palestinians were Muslim. Armed with mere right-wing talking points and only a high school education Marie, it would be an unreasonable and unfair expectation that you quite simply are incapable of reaching.
Do you even read my responses? If you were to scroll up and read you would find I answered you long ago. I would make all my responses seperate, but that would just be taking up space and time. Somtimes I combine them, but you wouldnt know that because you dont read them! You just keep flapping your trap as if I never answered. Oh well we all cant be as edumacated as you.
Do you expect me to post responses to you alone and waste not only time, but space also? Think again pal.
With such ground breaking news Marie, it is an absolute mystery why no one has picked up on the ALLEGED FACT BY MARIE AND HER FRIENDS that Jeremiah Wright was a Muslim a year ago.
That is mind-boggling. The only thing that tops that is that you actually believe it.
My God, it's highlighted in BOLD, can you not see as well as not read?
I've never read such complete, authentic ignorance as I have on this blog over the past 6 months. Just when I thought the levels of lunacy, dishonesty and idiocy had reached their full potential, I'm insanely surprised each and every time. I come on here as if I'm going to suddenly read some resemblance of truth or some form of factual evidence.
If that's the way you feel no one is holding your finger to the "I gotta go to Marie's Blog button"! Besides even when the truth is smaking you in the face and all over the news you dont believe it anyway BECAUSE YOU'RE A LIBERAL! You only believe what you want to.
How sweet it must be to drown in such a sea of fantasy---where facts, truth and logic are nonexistent and everyone cosigns each other's BS.
This should be a case study for a social psychologist or anthropologist.
This makes me grateful for my education. If my doctorate serves no other purpose than to keep me from sliding into the abyss of ignorance and stupidity then it is money spent more wisely than I had ever imagined.
LMAO! Doctorate, you can hardly see let alone read. Hell you dont read my responses.
And poor J_G. Her education is a feather above that of the other lemmings but yet feels far more intellectually superior. She relies on that Navy experience like an old high school star athlete romanticizes the good ‘ol days, now a factory worker, drunk at the nearby tavern still talking about that "state championship game where I threw a no-hitter"(hiccup). She's consumed with frustration and resentment towards others who are clearly more aware and more educated. (This is what Aristotle talks about in "Nicomachean Ethics" about maintaining your intellect over emotion)
Have you met Jenn? I dont think so or you would be laying in a hospital bed by now. I have met Jenn in person. She has more intelligence in her pinky than you do in your entire body!
This is too easy. Maybe that is my fascination with this blog. It's like playing tee ball with 6 year olds. I really should let you guys win sometime...
I have a funny feeling that is what you do, you dont seem to be doing anything else like WORK! You could'nt win an arguement on this blog if you had to type with your nose. And honestly I dont know why you are so fascinated with my blog, I really thought you had something upstairs when you first started commenting here, you seemed to be intelligent, but you wont even read my responses to you. Maybe the stairs dont go all the way to the top!
Should I start underlining my responses to you so YOU CAN SEE THEM?
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Anonymous,
good posts federalist keep visiting. I've been LMAO at marie and her pathetic posse for a long time now. I don't know sometimes whether to pity them or laugh out loud at the bigotry hatred and ignorance.
Marie, might i suggest some therapy? You really are quite nuts!
Oh yes Moron, encourage the Lunatic.
Pathetic Posse? If you only knew the people behind the keyboards that comment here you would be shocked! Well you wouldn't believe it anyway, and there is no hatred nor bigotry here, just because Obama is black doesnt make him off limits!
Might I suggest you back away from the keyboard, VERY FAR! You remind me of that commercial "This is your brain on drugs" And you are the frying egg!
Hell you cant even think up a name! Unless of course you have commented/laughed/whatever as YOU said on my blog for a LONG time and are using Anonymous as a cover :-> Maybe you need an underline as well.
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Word,
Who doesnt need an underline lol
That struck me as odd also.
And these Lunatics above seem to think we are all hatefull and bigoted because we bring out information on the candidates and one of them will be our next President and YES they ALL deserve scrutiny, especially since we are at WAR.
Uncle P,
Maybe because he has the Nation of Islam guards to protect him?
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Danny,
I can believe it as well. I guess we shall see. Everything will come out soon.
I am just going to start underlining everyone.
Ya Know,
Speak!!! If you dont have a name at least use what's left of your brain to think one up! Anonymous sounds idiotic!
Posted right where the comment box is.
Why is it Judy up there ^^^^ can make up a name and Anonymous continues to be Oblivious?
I really don't care if Wright was a muslim, he's nothing but a hater and purveyor of victim mentality. Wright's parishioners listened and learned from him all these years. The question someone really needs to ask Hussein Obama is; why did you let your children listen to all that hate if you didn't believe in it yourself?
Good ol' faux guy, he tries to justify his own ignorance and closed mind by attempting infer his superior education. Nothing could be further than the truth. Faux guy has no idea what education level any of us here have. The only thing we know is faux guy pretends to be of superior intellect when it is obvious he repeats the same old lines he absorbs like sponge over at huffypo and daily kook. You could read some left kook take on things at daily kook and faux repeats it like a mind numb robot. How cute. How predictable, how easy to be without a thought of his own. How obvious it is and every one here just chuckles a bit and feels for you faux guy. Someday when you grow up and you might grow a mind of your own (minus the bitter envy).
The more I know about Obama and Wright, the less I want to know about Obama and Wright.
Hint about Palestinian/Muslim question: the first recognized Palestinians were the Jews. Muslims hijacked the title in 1963 with the creation of the PLO/PLA under Arafat. Palestine itself was a local designation of the land upon which many nomadic peoples wandered. The Romans began calling the place Palestine to deprive the Hebrews of their homeland - Israel/Judea. The current group calling themselves Palestinians are Egyptians, Jordanians (Hashemites) and other Arabs. They are Muslims, Christians, agnostics and atheists. Without Israel, Palestine still would not exist because the only reason Palestine is of any import is the existence and destruction of Israel. If Israel is destroyed, the Area called Palestine would be taken by the various Arab/Hashemite/Egyptian neighbors.
J_G,
It must really keep you up at night, the fact that I have yet to frequent either of those websites. At this point, although the curiosity is there, I refuse to even visit once. For by not going there I maintain my truth and rest well knowing that your accusations are unfounded.
This is what happens when O'Reilly's talking points quit working for you and you have no back up plan. "He must have gotten that from Huffypo and other far left media sources" doesn't quite work if the accused never visits those sites.
Although I rarely post on my blog, all of my material is of original thought (unlike some who cut and pastes articles and then deliver a 7th grade perspective on the material).
Just because you are lacking in education doesn't mean you are inferior. I'm sure you have many fine qualities and outstanding talents. For instance, you mentioned once about cleaning your gun. I'll bet you've got that down to a science. I haven't the slightest clue how to perform such a task.
It is increasingly clear that you are not terribly skilled in the area of argument or critical thinking. That's okay, I'm awful at math.
I surely am not envious of you J_G. You of anyone are a robot who has yet to display or posit an original thought, perspective or theory. When someone opposes you on any level other than "gun cleaning" or "kick your ass" you resort to false accusations and weak talking points as if you were protecting the Alamo. You are a bitter woman who apparently lives in a state of incredible resentment and anger. Perhaps decisions you've made in the past continue to haunt you or maybe you are a mindless lemming who has bought into this fascist-type nationalism and is full of rage and in search of more "shock and awe".
Bush has promised Israel that he'll "take care of Iran" before he leaves office. I'm certain he'll do everything to make your wishes come true. I want the happy J_G back!
The question someone really needs to ask Hussein Obama is; why did you let your children listen to all that hate if you didn't believe in it yourself?
I imagine he'd give the same reason Catholics give when asked the question: "Why did you let your children stay in a church where its leaders perpetrated unspeakable crimes on innocent children? Where the bishops and cardinals moved prelates into other parishes knowing they would rape and molest those whom they were supposed to protect and enlighten.
Catholics knew the crimes--felonies that the leaders of their church commited, yet stayed.
Rev. Wright commited no crime.
In this country, it is not a crime to be a Muslim, much as many people who post here would like it to be.
It is not a crime to speak against the US government when one disagrees with it--much as many people who post here would like it to be.
Those last two points--freedom of religion and freedom of speech are protected in our Constitution--much as many people who post here seem not to know.
Idiotic comments by trolls masking under the name of anonymous are even more Idiotic.
It’s scary that they give some humans the ability to use a computer. It’s almost like giving a driving license to an alcoholic, or like permitting a sex offender to have a child.
So I guess being an internet troll brings power to the little and brain-dead people.
Free speech and technology are wonderful things when not abused. Trolls like this “anonymous” one, is just an example of what a sick person does when they have too much time on their hands. Or when the asylum offers free use of computers. Just keeping convincing yourself that you are you are entitled to ‘free speech’……Your big mistake is that free speech was intended for normal people. I’m not so sure that “Despicable” is protected by the 1st amendment.
Having posted my first post above on the subject of anonymous trolls, let me tell you a bit about myself.
I am working on my masters in Political science and I am an all around political junkie. I am supporting John McCain in 08 but that support is not a strong indicator of my mixed bag of political views. I am far, far right on things like the death penalty and the war in Iraq,
Illegal immigration and the problem of illegal immigrants
see you guys on the boards.
Another excellent post Marie.
Yes, the kids in the sandbox are having a good time now that Spring has sprung.
Just keeping convincing yourself that you are you are entitled to ‘free speech’……Your big mistake is that free speech was intended for normal people.--Bob Lindsay
Um. No. What graduate school do you attend?
Have you read the Constitution?
Because nowhere in the First Amendment does it qualify free speech.
The Supreme Court has recognized that the government may prohibit some speech that may cause a breach of the peace or cause violence.
If I were your professor, you'd get an F in understanding the Constitution.
Perhaps you'd like to live in a totalitarian regime where the government decides who is "normal."
The Communists practiced this all the time. Ask any of the dissidents who survived being thrown into mental hospitals for criticizing their regime.
I’m sorry Joanne, I guess you missed my point. I am familiar with the Constitution. I just meant that to be cute.I'm really sorry if I offended you. I just wanted to say that as a put-down.
Recently I've made comments about my conservative nature and I've been flamed. Well, not really 'flamed' because I don't feel upset or humiliated. It's really not the counter-comments that are so bad but it's the ridiculous emails calling me names etc, by these “Anonymous” trolls.
I’ve seen this in many other websites and blogs before.
Trolls as well as Anonymous posters are people without pretense who enjoy poking holes in the people. They enjoy displaying bad and disruptive behavior.
We assume certain things are fact and attack anyone who dares state that the emperor has no clothes. This is why trolls are anonymous.
I called you all insane. Trolls connect the worlds by pointing out the contradictions in your "progressive" illusion. You claim that you know better, and are morally ahead of the author.
But weather or not you realize it, you look and sound very immature. In fact, it's pathetic. Anyone with an IQ over 120 can see right thru you and clearly see that you are simply just poor and dysfunctional people, sometimes even stupid or insane. And you have a net worth of zero.
Holy Cow!
You people are a busy bunch!
Have at it lol
Bob L.,
Nobody should be "flamed" or for that matter defamed for holding their political beliefs.
I've found that when insults and name-calling are not present, conservatives and liberals can actually talk to each other. It can get heated, but when we stop assuming the other person is either nuts, a terrorist, or anti-American, we can actually begin to understand why we hold the beliefs that we do.
Actually, a lot of Americans don't understand the freedom of speech guaranteed under the Constitution. If, for example, Marie wanted to shut down anything she didn't like that was posted here, that would not be trampling on my freedom of speech. It's when the US Government interfers with citizens speaking up that makes it unConstitutional.
Marie can censor whom she chooses. It's her blog, and she's a private citizen.
And, may I add, I have never seen her censor or delete any posts (well maybe once, when the commenter was pornographic in his/her hatred, and I could understand her doing so.)
I think if we tone down the yelling at each other and not assume the "other" is an enemy of the US, we may get somewhere in mutual understanding.
Now as for
I don’t think that Marie has any other agenda other than to have an open and respectful discussion here.
But I also feel that some people while wanting to give their opposing thoughts, take it a step to far. I also think that some of the comments made here go beyond having a opposing thought. It has absolutely nothing to do with “free speech” And are made just to cause disruption. I wouldn’t underestimate Marie’s generosity by allowing this. I realize that of the people that comment don't have their own blogs, but completely dominate someone else's.
But this is what happens when 12 year olds are given free access to computers. I don't need to define trolls . They know who they are, at my place they would be toast after the first comment. Well maybe the second.
Joanne, as for the freedom of speech, I am certainly not criticizing your comment, but I wouldn’t put up with that sort of behavior for one minute. Freedom of speech is wonderful but it ranks right up there with the freedom not to listen.
Joanne, you're not getting it about the racist Wright and his racist congregation. They are free to be racist under the freedom of speech and association clauses in the first amendment. We are also free to point out that Wright and his followers including Hussein Obama are racists. It is also against the law to actively participate in the campaigns of indivdual candidates if you have a 501(c)(3) tax exempt status as most churches do. Wright certainly participated in getting Hussein Obama elected as a Illinois Senator using the resources of the church. Please don't try and justify that behavior by pointing to others. You know that doesn't wash with me. Wrong or illegal behavior is wrong or illegal.
My point is if Hussein Obama didn't believe in such racist, black separatist dogma like Hussein Obama says he doesn't, he wouldn't let his two children sit through all the vile and racist hate speeches that were such a regular part of the church Trinity Baptist that he belonged to.
Gosh faux guy you really don't have to keep telling us how smart you are. If it were true people would notice and you wouldn't have to keep trying to convince people of it.
If freedom of speech means anything, it means that, when Mr. X says "the President is a crook", Ms. N can say, "Mr. X is an idiot." Many people confuse the Constitutional limits on what the government can do about what someone says (hardly anything, as long as there isn't a crime being committed) with what a private citizen can do about what someone says (almost anything, as long as they aren't committing a crime).
A private citizen can tell another private citizen to shut up, can stop reading his or her posts, can refuse to buy his or her records, and can tell other private citizens to do the same. While we would hope that our fellow citizens abstain from being jerks, there is no Constitutional requirement that they be polite.
Oh, and by the way...
How come so many of B-O's friends are anti-Semites?
See here, f'rinstance:
http://tinyurl.com/49ru2o
LOL...these libs are something else!
J_G,
I'm scratching my head here. I don't mention either Obama nor Wright in my last post, so how am I "justifying" their behavior?
And in the post where I did mention Wright, I simply said he didn't commit a crime--and you agree with this.
Please be honest and see that you either misunderstood my comments or are prejudging everything I say because you don't want to hear anything anyone has to say on the subject of Obama and Wright.
I ask you to look at all three comments and point out where I'm justifying anything.
Thanks.
PS. The name Hussein in the Arab world is as common as the name John in the Western Christian world.
Would you associate John McCain as a presidential assassin, John Booth, just because they both share the same name?
PS. The name Hussein in the Arab world is as common as the name John in the Western Christian world!
In The ARAB World?
Hum, I thought this was America!
Hussein is an Arabic name.
Sean is Irish.
Sven is Scandinavian.
Shlomo is Jewish.
Pasquale is Italian.
Genevieve is French.
You don't understand that Americans import names from other countries and name their American children foreign names?
What don't you understand about that? It's been happening for centuries?
The only true American names would be, say:
Soaring Eagle, Cochise, Geronimo.
And in my brief time on this planet and in this country, I've yet to meet anyone named Chochise Smith.
:-)
Cochise Smith. typo.
Better example would have been having never met a guy named Sitting Bull Jones.
Ok but what is Marie?
Besides to damn generous?
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The question someone really needs to ask Hussein Obama is; why did you let your children listen to all that hate if you didn't believe in it yourself?
I imagine he'd give the same reason Catholics give when asked the question: "Why did you let your children stay in a church where its leaders perpetrated unspeakable crimes on innocent children? Where the bishops and cardinals moved prelates into other parishes knowing they would rape and molest those whom they were supposed to protect and enlighten.
Catholics knew the crimes--felonies that the leaders of their church committed, yet stayed.
That last statement is wholly untrue. Most Catholics did not know that there was an ongoing cover up by Catholic Church leaders Like John Cardinal Law of Boston. He was the one that moved Priests around to cover up their crimes. The regular parishioners didn't know all this was going on and if they did they would have demanded, as they eventually did to come clean and clean up the church. That is the house of the Lord after all.
In direct contrast Hussein Obama's Pastor Wright broke no laws but he presented an immoral stance of hatred and racism to which most parishioners agreed including Hussein Obama and his angry wife Michelle. They exposed their children to that outrage and that was purposeful and immoral.
Use some tegrin on the itch Joanne, this whole post of Marie's was about Wright and him being a former Muslim and he is tied to Hussein Obama until his defeat in November like white on rice.
I rather like using Hussein Obama, my middle name is Paula some of my Mother's neighbors still call me that because it was favored by my Grandmother and for the first 10 years of my life they used my middle name. It had no affect on me either way, it's my name.
Imagine this for all of you out there that are unsure.
Today I would like to introduce you to the 44th President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama.
Joanne is right, my real name is actually Dewayne Denzel Dunisani, but they call me DD for short.
Imagine this for all of you out there that are unsure.
Today I would like to introduce you to the 44th President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. In fact, it looks wonderful.
And millions and millions and millions of Americans agree with me.
Sadly, there will always be people who are xenophobic and unwelcoming to people with "different" names.
Barack is another form of the Hebrew name Baruch, or Americanized, Barry, which Obama used for a while.
My name in Italian is Giovanna, and I used it for a while, too, and half my family (my mother's side) calls me Joanna. So I use three names.
Hussein is as common as John, and Obama sounds Irish to me.
O'bama?
PS. I remember when Mike Dukakis ran for president and hearing people make fun of his name, too.
It's time to grow up. The adults I associate with do not make fun of people's names. We all left that behind in 7th grade.
Ok but what is Marie?
Besides to damn generous?
Marie Name Meaning and History
French and English: from the popular medieval female personal name, Latin Maria.
This was the name of the mother of Christ in the New Testament, as well as several other New Testament figures.
It derives from Aramaic Maryam (Biblical Hebrew Miryam), but the vernacular forms have been influenced by the Roman family name Marius (which is of uncertain origin).
The Hebrew name is likewise of uncertain etymology, but perhaps means ‘wished-for child’, from an Egyptian root mrj with the addition of the Hebrew feminine diminutive suffix -am.
St. Jerome understood it as a compound of mar ‘drop’ + yam ‘sea’, which he rendered as Latin stilla maris, later altered to stella maris ‘star of the sea’, whence the medieval Christian liturgical phrase.
French (Marié): nickname for a man newly married, from the past participle of marier ‘to marry’.
http://www.ancestry.com/facts/Marie-name-meaning.ashx
Congratulations, Marie! You and Barack Obama both have names that were from Aramaic language--the native speakers who originally settled in Syria, Iraq, and Turkey.
Your name is Arab-derived. Just like Barack's!
PS. To add on to what I posted to J_G.
There was a time in our recent history when many, many Americans would have been appalled to hear these names for a US President:
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Joseph Lieberman
Rudolfo Giuliani
Are you disgusted by those names for a president?
This makes me grateful for my education. If my doctorate serves no other purpose than to keep me from sliding into the abyss of ignorance and stupidity then it is money spent more wisely than I had ever imagined.
Arrogance.
BTW - Education does not always = intelligence. Many people are educated beyond their intelligence.
Arrogance. Pride. You've got an overabundance of both. Marie is a saint for allowing you to continue posting here.
You are a troll. No argument against that statement would be credible.
Joanne Hussein Obama said...
"Obama sounds Irish to me"
And stupid me thought that only Ted Kennedy would say something like that.
rick,
No. You're wrong.
O'Hara, Obama
Sound very similar.
When the comments start veering seriously off topic, maybe the thing to do is just go with that.
Those of us who are old enough to have voted for Richard Nixon recall that the Prime Minister of Japan from 1978 to 1980 was a guy named Masayoshi O'hira.
You can find out more about him here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masayoshi_Ohira
Those of us who are old enough to have voted for Richard Nixon recall that the Prime Minister of Japan from 1978 to 1980 was a guy named Masayoshi O'hira.--Uncle P.
Did he have a daughter named Scarlett?
(BTW - Education does not always = intelligence. Many people are educated beyond their intelligence.)
I agree with that statement. Look at George Bush.
(Arrogance. Pride. You've got an overabundance of both. Marie is a saint for allowing you to continue posting here.)
I really believe that by the grace of God was I able to go as far as I did with my education. There were many times I felt an enormous amount of frustration and desperation. But my faith in the God of my understanding brought me through it when left to my own devices I did not believe I could achieve it. Marie, along with everyone on here, is light-years away from sainthood.
“Arrogance” and “Pride” are better suited for the right-wing nut jobs who believe America is without faults or defects and who believe we can do whatever we want without having to pay any consequences. "After all, we’re America, right?? Yee -- haw!!!"
(You are a troll. No argument against that statement would be credible.)
This is cute. This is where you are trying to phrase a rather simplistic idea or opinion in a lexicon that is quite frankly overkill. Cute. Anyone who opposes racist, bigoted and unfounded information is a troll? That’s news.
Here's a little gem that will be investigated further in the MANY months before the election:
Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?
McCain Works to Bury Hatchet With Those on Receiving End of His Temper
By LIBBY QUAID Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON Feb 16, 2008 (AP)
The Associated Press
Temper, temper.
Republican John McCain is known for his.
Republican presidential hopeful, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., speaks to reporters after a town hall meeting in Oshkosh, Wis., Friday, Feb. 15, 2008. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
He's been dubbed "Senator Hothead" by more than one publication, but he's also had some success extracting his hatchet from several foreheads.
Even his Republican Senate colleagues are not spared his sharp tongue.
"F--- you," he shouted at Texas Sen. John Cornyn last year.
"Only an a------ would put together a budget like this," he told the former Budget Committee chairman, Sen. Pete Domenici, in 1999.
"I'm calling you a f------ jerk!" he once retorted to Iowa Sen. Chuck Grassley.
With Cornyn, he smoothed things over quickly. The two argued during a meeting on immigration legislation; Cornyn complained that McCain seemed to parachute in during the final stages of negotiations. "F--- you. I know more about this than anyone else in the room," McCain reportedly shouted.
Cornyn chuckled at the memory of what he called McCain's "aggressive expressions of differences." The Texan has endorsed McCain.
"He almost immediately apologized to me," Cornyn said last week. "I accepted his apology, and as far as I'm concerned, we've moved on down the road."
The political landscape in Arizona, McCain's home state, is littered with those who have incurred his wrath. Former Gov. Jane Hull pretended to hold a telephone receiver away from her ear to demonstrate a typical outburst from McCain in a 1999 interview with The New York Times.
McCain has even blown up at volunteers and, on occasion, the average Joe.
He often pokes fun at his reputation: "Thanks for the question, you little jerk," he said last year to a New Hampshire high school student wondering if McCain, at 71, was too old to be president.
Other times, his ire is all too real. This has prompted questions about whether his temperament is suited to the office of commander-in-chief or whether it might handicap him in a presidential campaign against either Barack Obama or Hillary Rodham Clinton, who are not known for such outbursts.
"I decided I didn't want this guy anywhere near a trigger," Domenici told Newsweek in 2000.
Wait until they lure him into a rage in a debate on Iraq….watch that white hair turn red with ire and then those arms will go up and down like a Mattel action figure and he may even choke the nearest moderator! One can only hope that people see this raging maniac for what he is. There are about a 1,000 of these stories out, including a new book entitled, "The Real McCain".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCAqm286eAM
He's going to lose it at some point...and then you're left with no candidate!
Faux guy keeps on trying to impress people that he is smart but we're still waiting to see that demonstrted. So far it's pretty much a wash. If I were you faux guy and I paid that much money to attend the college you say you attended, I would probaly ask them for a refund.
"Wait until they lure him into a rage in a debate on Iraq….watch that white hair turn red with ire and then those arms will go up and down like a Mattel action figure and he may even choke the nearest moderator! One can only hope that people see this raging maniac for what he is"
Are you talking about Bill Clinton?
federalist,
McCain's "famous" temper is a bit overblown. But if that's all you're wagering on, I think a temper problem is the least of the reasons one could use as a disqualifying factor on why McCain should not be president.
This is old (like McCain), but still a relevant read.
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