WOW!!
No wonder the Liberal's are screaming about everything else going on, they are trying to hide the fact our economy is strong!
Breitbart Is Reporting:
Unemployment Rate Drops to 4.7%
WASHINGTON
Employers, in a springtime hiring burst, boosted payrolls by a sizable 211,000 in March and pushed the nation's unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent.
The latest snapshot, released by the Labor Department on Friday, suggested that an accelerating economic expansion is putting companies in the hiring mood, brightening prospects for job seekers.
Hiring gains were fairly widespread. Construction, financial activities, education and health care and government were among the sectors posting payroll gains. That help to blunt job losses in manufacturing and in the transportation industries.
Read Full Story Here
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Breitbart Is Also Reporting:
Consumer Confidence In Economy Improves:
WASHINGTON
Consumer confidence in the economy's prospects improved in early April even as gasoline prices and borrowing costs marched higher.
The RBC CASH (Consumer Attitudes and Spending by Household) Index, based on results from the international polling firm Ipsos, showed confidence at 89.4 in early April, up from March's 86.2. The new reading also was better than a year ago, when consumer confidence clocked in at 84.5.
"It's a positive sign," said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.
Overall, consumers are in a generally good frame of mind, economists said.
"I think we can take heart in the fact that even with all the worries _ about energy prices, higher interest rates and a slowing housing market _ confidence moved higher," said economist Ken Mayland, president of ClearView Economics.
Analysts track consumer confidence for clues about consumers' willingness to spend, an important force shaping the country's economic health.
The confidence index is benchmarked to a reading of 100 on January when Ipsos started the gauge.
One of the things consumers feel really good about is the jobs climate, the Ipsos results suggested.
A measure tracking consumers' sentiments on this front jumped in early April to 124.5, the highest on record. In March consumers' feelings about jobs came in at 118.5, a buoyant reading. A year ago, this gauge stood at 116.2.
Employers boosted payrolls by a sizable 211,000 jobs in March, helping to push the nation's unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent, the Labor Department said in a report Friday that suggested the jobs market is on solid footing.
Analysts believe the economy emerged from an end-of-year funk and grew at an annual rate of 4.5 percent or higher in the just ended January- to-March quarter. The government's estimate of first-quarter economic growth will be released at the end of April.
Read Full Story Here
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No matter what the Liberals do they cannot run from our Steady Growing Economy, Low Unemployment, Outstanding GDP, and Excellent Consumer Confidence. But they can hide though. And hide, whine, and moan and Bash Bush is all they seem to be able to do. Liberal's accomplish nothing!
Breitbart Is Reporting:
Unemployment Rate Drops to 4.7%
WASHINGTON
Employers, in a springtime hiring burst, boosted payrolls by a sizable 211,000 in March and pushed the nation's unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent.
The latest snapshot, released by the Labor Department on Friday, suggested that an accelerating economic expansion is putting companies in the hiring mood, brightening prospects for job seekers.
Hiring gains were fairly widespread. Construction, financial activities, education and health care and government were among the sectors posting payroll gains. That help to blunt job losses in manufacturing and in the transportation industries.
Read Full Story Here
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Breitbart Is Also Reporting:
Consumer Confidence In Economy Improves:
WASHINGTON
Consumer confidence in the economy's prospects improved in early April even as gasoline prices and borrowing costs marched higher.
The RBC CASH (Consumer Attitudes and Spending by Household) Index, based on results from the international polling firm Ipsos, showed confidence at 89.4 in early April, up from March's 86.2. The new reading also was better than a year ago, when consumer confidence clocked in at 84.5.
"It's a positive sign," said Stuart Hoffman, chief economist at PNC Financial Services Group.
Overall, consumers are in a generally good frame of mind, economists said.
"I think we can take heart in the fact that even with all the worries _ about energy prices, higher interest rates and a slowing housing market _ confidence moved higher," said economist Ken Mayland, president of ClearView Economics.
Analysts track consumer confidence for clues about consumers' willingness to spend, an important force shaping the country's economic health.
The confidence index is benchmarked to a reading of 100 on January when Ipsos started the gauge.
One of the things consumers feel really good about is the jobs climate, the Ipsos results suggested.
A measure tracking consumers' sentiments on this front jumped in early April to 124.5, the highest on record. In March consumers' feelings about jobs came in at 118.5, a buoyant reading. A year ago, this gauge stood at 116.2.
Employers boosted payrolls by a sizable 211,000 jobs in March, helping to push the nation's unemployment rate down to 4.7 percent, the Labor Department said in a report Friday that suggested the jobs market is on solid footing.
Analysts believe the economy emerged from an end-of-year funk and grew at an annual rate of 4.5 percent or higher in the just ended January- to-March quarter. The government's estimate of first-quarter economic growth will be released at the end of April.
Read Full Story Here
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No matter what the Liberals do they cannot run from our Steady Growing Economy, Low Unemployment, Outstanding GDP, and Excellent Consumer Confidence. But they can hide though. And hide, whine, and moan and Bash Bush is all they seem to be able to do. Liberal's accomplish nothing!
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 2:02 PM
25 Comments:
So why would Bush chance losing all this good?
If we drop NUKE bombs in the deserts of the Middle East (Seymour Hersh-The New Yorker-article-"Next Stop; Iran"-Sunday April 9, 2006 at www.newyorker.com)we will be living in a world much worse than any sci-fi movie ever showed.
What about the 10 Trillion debt that will be left when Bush leaves office? I guess you don't care about that, you won't be around to have to pay it. You are lucky your living and working now, instead of 20-40 years from now.
Ouch, Marie! I get too busy to peruse blogs for a while and I come back and the inmates have taken over the asylum!
Please, please, for your own sanity, stay away from the Daily Kos and the Democratic Underground.
Time,
Do you honestly believe that if Bush had a plan to Nuke anyone, especially with our troops in the field in the middle east, the New Yorker would have this information? Or any news agency/organization, etc.. for that matter? Get a grip dude. Only the Pentagon the Joint Cheifs, etc.. would even be privy to that kind of information. And I'm quite sure they are not going to invite any news organization including the "New Yorker" in on the meeting! I dont know where these news organizations come up with this looney nonsense, it is shocking to see people like yourself actually read it, let alone believe a story like that.
And of course I care about the deficit, that's where me and the President have a real strong disagreement, before he signs some of these bills sent up to him he should cut the pork out, no matter if it's a Democrat or a Republican bill, aid package, etc.. What makes you think I wont be here 20-40 years from now still working? How old do you think I am 89 or something? I read an article not to long ago where the deficit has already receeded by 3 billion or trillion dollars or something I forgot. I will have to dig it up.
Mark,
I havent been here either, I havent been feeling well, probably these damn Oklahoma allergies, they can make you feel like you have the flu. God how I Love spring! Soon it will be the Tornado sirens going off I cant wait. I havent been to any of those sites in a while and I picked up this Purple Jesus lunatic before I ever started visiting the one I was going to.
I havent ever visited the Democratic Underground, Lord why does that name sound like it fit's the party, shady, up to no good, etc..? And Daily Kos, I cant even understand half of what that Lunatic is talking about, the only thing I have ever gotten out of that site is the Liberals still have no plan.
So, if you will be working and paying taxes 40 years from now; how can you defend this Presidents economic decisions?
You will have to pull out that article, because just weeks ago (when the budget was passed) even the administration said both the deficit and the debt would increase.
This President has not even vetoed one spending bill.
No Congress will give a President the line item veto, it takes away the Congresses purse power.
Presidents both Dem. and Rep. have been asking for the line item veto for decades, it's just not going to happen.
I made a comment to your post (that made it sound like "rosie" senario for the economy) and President Bush was responsible for it. True statistics, yes; but a false impression of the true direction of our future economy.
The President has little to do with the current economy. Consumer spending moves this capitalistic economy.
Do you think that without his tax cuts we would be bankrupt now? NO.
The war costs 450 Billion - we had a deficit of almost 900 Billion - where did the rest go and why wasn't he cutting spending?
Cutting taxes and raising spending at the same time, is juat a train wreck waiting to happen.
Time,
By what figures are you calculating this Deficit?
Are you combining the Private Sector Deficit? Together with the Trade Deficit, Budget Deficit? Defense Spending? Aid Spending? Are you combining ALL the above? Because your figures just dont add up.
Here are two examples like I said they are a few months old:
Federal Budget Deficit Shrinks
Here's Another
Setting aside the Line Item Veto,(Since that is a very small portion of the problem) There are many factors to be considered as to why our deficit is the way it is today, 9-11 hit our interests hard, (At Home and abroad) aid to the Tsunami devistated Countries, the War in Iraq and Afghanistan, Hurricane's Katrina, Trina, and Wilma, Rebuilding Louisiana, Aid to earthquake devistated Pakistan, Aid to the Hungry in Africa (If you ask me they have been starving in Africa since I was a child they would all be dead by now) Not to mention the state by state Natural disasters that have to be figured in this equasion, Fires in California, Oklahoma, Texas, not to mention other disasters in other states. If you are talking about our total Current National Debt that number will fluxuate back and forth forever. And if ANYONE says they can cut the entire Deficit they are mistaken or lying.
The trade deficit will fluxuate also, but lifting Tarrif's on the United States on product's going from the United States to other countries would help dramticly in the Trade Deficit area. (A proposal President Bush has asked for but the Congress has yet to pass) The Private Sector will always have trouble because there is always a Natural Disaster. We send more releif aid to more countries than ANYONE, no other country sends as much aid as we do so that will continue to fuxuate, I should say grow, constantly.
I'm not exactly sure what where you are gathering this information so I am not sure what Deficit you are trying to debate about.
Revenue reduces any Deficit. And tax cuts have added and in some cases been the sum total of reducing alot of the deficit, both in the Private Sector and Federaly, so yes I would have to say tax cuts decrease whatever deficit you want to discuss.
You tend to contradict yourself:
You will have to pull out that article, because just weeks ago (when the budget was passed) even the administration said both the deficit and the debt would increase.
That should have been part of the Budget was passed, which part? Just Federal Spending? Not taking into account all the other factors I mentioned above?
how can you defend this Presidents economic decisions?
Yet in the same post you said:
The President has little to do with the current economy.
So you are blaming the President then defending him?
Consumer spending moves this capitalistic economy.
Consumer spending in other countries by purchasing American goods and services also pushes this economy along.
Cutting taxes and raising spending at the same time, is juat a train wreck waiting to happen.
I beg to differ, Cutting taxes allows the Private sector to create new jobs thus also creating "Revenue" as it sells it's goods and services to whomever. If the Tarrif's were cut on our goods and services going overseas (Like President Bush wants) that would bring in MORE Revenue.
As for Big Business,
As much as you guys hate Halliburton, do you have any idea how many people are employed by them? Tax cuts allow for big business to hire MORE employees thus creating "Revenue", I am not a big fan of Drug companies, but the same applies there. Kellog Brown and Root, I could name thousands but I think you get my point. But I doubt if you actualy see it.
I made a comment to your post (that made it sound like "rosie" senario for the economy) and President Bush was responsible for it. True statistics, yes; but a false impression of the true direction of our future economy.
If more people are working than those that arent it creates "Revenue" that's a false impression?
If more people are confident about the economy, and they spend more money that creates "Revenue" False impression?
I dont know about you but the only train wreck I see is when Liberals open thier mouths without having a plan or facts to back it up!
Time,
I mispoke in my previous post
(A proposal President Bush has asked for but the Congress has yet to pass)
I shouldnt have said Congress has yet to pass that proposal, that was another proposal I was thinking about that Congress has yet to pass, but with the amount of breaks Congress takes I doubt if anything will get passed anytime soon.
I meant to say The Tarrif's President bush has asked other countries to remove from us that we are still waiting on, China for instance, among others.
As I said I agree that the economy is fine now, it's the future debt that will hurt us.
Tax cuts have put more $$$ in peoples pockets, they have also grown the national debt.
I am aware what has been going on and the spending that has cost.
I get my figures from:
Nationaldebt.org
and
www.cedarcomm.com/~stevelm1/usdebt.org
As I said even the President agrees that the new budget will raise the deficit and the debt.
He should have been cutting the pork or vetoing some of the spending - where is the Republican/conservative - keep federal spending down, party?
I yearn for the days of a Democratic balanced federal budget.
Check out those sites for detailed numbers.
I have to add that I also got my numbers from the President, the Vice-President, Condi Rice, Don Rumsfeld, the Sec. of the Treasury, the White House Press Spokesperson, and more.
ALL have been interviewed at one time or another about these numbers! I have seen then interviewed on C-Span (under oath in the Senate hearings), on all three networks NBC,ABC,CBS,FOX,MSNBC, Meet the Press,PBS and on and on and on.
If you don't beleive your own leaders, there's nothing more to say.
And yes, I've heard their excuses. Their excuses are not acceptable and they did not bring up the list you did because they are special funding, outside of the federal numbers, so the numbers are even worse than stated.
That article you gave a link to say that their numbers include taking 172 billion from Social Security and does not include the total amount of the wars. Numbers are statistics and can be made to decieve, and the article warns about that.
Time,
As I said I agree that the economy is fine now, it's the future debt that will hurt us.
Tax cuts have put more $$$ in peoples pockets, they have also grown the national debt.
Tax cuts have put more money in peoples pockets alright. And when people spend on goods and services that creates "Revenue", The National Debt is created from Government "Spending". And I forgot to mention in my previous post another HUGE portion the Government has to spend on is the new office that had to be created after 9-11 "Homeland Security".
He should have been cutting the pork or vetoing some of the spending - where is the Republican/conservative - keep federal spending down, party?
Like you said there will never be a "Line Item Veto" for any President!
The Republican/Conservative keep Federal spending down party had to spend on ALL the things I mentioned in my above post! Disasters, War, Disasters in other Countries, and 9-11 especially changed everything for us. Had 9-11 Never happened you would have seen the Conservative part of the party. Had a Democrat been in the White House that President would have had to do the excact same thing, and if they claim they wouldnt they would be lying.
I yearn for the days of a Democratic balanced federal budget.
Your yearning then for the end of Money in your pocket to spend that will create "Revenue", taxing Big Business and Private Sector Business to the point they cant create any new jobs and wont be able to afford to keep most of the employees they now have so then layoffs and firings will start and the 4.7/4.5 unemployment rate we enjoy now, will rise dramaticly, and Consumer Confidence will end.
And the same "Revenue" that was coming in (From ALL sources) was going to reduce the Deficit to begin with! I dont understand why you dont see the logic in this.
Time,
I have to add that I also got my numbers from the President, the Vice-President, Condi Rice, Don Rumsfeld, the Sec. of the Treasury, the White House Press Spokesperson, and more.
Well I'm glad you did. The way the economy evolves when it isnt changing and it changes constantly is a Mathematical Certainty.
If you don't beleive your own leaders, there's nothing more to say.
And yes, I've heard their excuses. Their excuses are not acceptable and they did not bring up the list you did because they are special funding, outside of the federal numbers, so the numbers are even worse than stated.
It sounds to me like you have your mind already made up, and President Bush is the Grinch that stole Chistmas, and you are having a decent life with this economy and you know it, and you love it, and you just cant see the glass half full, you Liberals just look at the glass half empty unless your party is in office. And your party spends on programs that will benefit the poor FOREVER and us taxpayers will have to pay for it, on top of all the other taxes we have to pay, at the store, at the pump, at the pharmacy, grocery store, post office, department stores etc..I can understand paying for programs that would help the needy for a limited amount of time until that person, if they can work, can find another job. I dont believe in paying for the needy forever. I shouldnt have to. If someone cant work ever again that's different. I dont think Roosevelt had on his mind "Lets create Social Security and Welfare and let people just sit on it for ever". I just dont believe he wanted it to be this way.
Oh Jesus Christ Time,
That article you gave a link to say that their numbers include taking 172 billion from Social Security and does not include the total amount of the wars. Numbers are statistics and can be made to decieve, and the article warns about that.
You mean like Poll numbers????
I think if someone came up to you in the street, Democrat or Republican and yelled "I have Consumer Confidence" or "Isnt it Wonderful our Unemployment rate is down to 4.5%" You would say "But this", "But that", and just glass always half empty kind of crap, yet your enjoying this economy, you know it, or you wouldnt be on a computer on my blog right now. Your happy as Lark! But when I look at your party I see no plan for anything new that Bush isnt already doing, nothing but negativity, insanity, and you guys just cant get a grip! Your Liberal crap is just going to get us all either killed, unemployed or broke. Or all 3.
hide your head in the sand about the truth of the future economy. Democrats did have a balanced budget and you Republicans screwed it up. Your President can do nothing wrong? that's why his poll numbers are lower than Nixions. So while the people and the press uncover his lies you just keep your fantasy going. I can understand why the other guy swears at you , your an idiot. No, I won't be back. I prefer to debate with people living in reality.
Time,
hide your head in the sand about the truth of the future economy. Democrats did have a balanced budget and you Republicans screwed it up. Your President can do nothing wrong? that's why his poll numbers are lower than Nixions. So while the people and the press uncover his lies you just keep your fantasy going. I can understand why the other guy swears at you , your an idiot. No, I won't be back. I prefer to debate with people living in reality.
Just how stupid do you think I am? I guess you think I am pretty damn stupid you called me an Idiot! But I have seen your site and that "Other Guy" is on it! What use would it be for me to keep debating a brick wall? I knew your anger would show eventually, Liberals have a hard time containing it, I thought I would just end it sooner wrather than later. Thank's for proving my point! Keep enjoying this economy while you can, because if your party does get back in office (God Help Us All) it will be gone.
Yep lots of cussing, sorry to offend but really whats to debate? We disagree and we rile each other up. Nobody wins. we can debate and neither of us will get anywhere much like this go between with you and Time. I have never experienced such a divide in our country. I have never felt stronger about politics and perhaps you haven't either. I think things are getting very grave for all of us and continue to go in the wrong direction and you probably think the opposite. Not many people are willing to admit that they may be or are wrong (obviously) and perhaps maybe they shouldn't. What difference does it make? It's like when I used to argue with my older sister about religion we went round in circles neither winning or losing cause once your mind is made up, sometimes that's it. I just hope that humanity can win over greed. Without pointing fingers or making it a Dem versus Rep issue there are a LOT of problems right now and they seem to continue to get worse if we can focus on that maybe we can find a common solution. You slam the left just as much as they slam the right as if the two sides are really that far apart. I think thats one of the problems, we assume the other person's stance rather than really know their politics. Hating Bush because I truly feel that he is doing immense harm to the world does not mean I am a Democrat, a liberal, a leftist, or a communist, for all you know I may be a republican. It doesn't mean I don't value human life or the environment or the future of the world. I just fail to understand why people allow so much death destruction and hatred and then claim to be loving, god fearing, christians. Its the most evil hypocritical thing I can possibly imagine. Oh well just my two cents! Have a nice Easter!
BTW what does Kool-aid have to do with anything besides way too much sugar? If anything you should be referring to the amount of beer I drink. I love that sh!t..........
Purple/Glock/Whatever,
What is it with you, do you have me bookmarked or something?
Since you dont sound like you are insane during on this particular post (I'm sure that will change) I will give you a response.
Lord know's you wont give up till you get one.
And I know you wont see this until you get back to school Monday. Why dont you just buy a computer?
Contrary to what you on the left believe (And dont tell me your not on the left or I dont know if your a Republican or not) not all of us are Bible thumping Christians! Not all of us go to Church every single Sunday.
You are correct when you say
"You slam the left as much as they slam the right"
That's why I slam the left BECAUSE they slam the right, and most of you guys have the wrong idea about us and probably dont care.
I dont know how old you are, but I am old enough to remember the Hostages in Iran, I was a kid at the time but I still remember. I remember the Achille Lauro hijacking, the hijackers shot and killed an American/Jewish man IN A WHEELCHAIR and threw him over the side of the ship. I remember the bombing of the Marine barracks in Beiruit, Lebanon, the Hijacking of an American plane the hijackers shot and killed Robert Stetham a Navy Diver and threw his lifeless body on the tarmack at an airport I forget where but I will always remember that boy's name, the Kobar towers, the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, the Alphred P. Murrah Federal Building bombing in Oklahoma City, (Homegrown but still terrorism), the USS Cole, 9-11, and countless other terror attacks against American's erverywhere. Now if you were a caring individual you would say "Gee we have been terrorized enough and we shouldnt have to put up with it anymore" or if you were stupid you would just say "We had it comming". Then I would say for what? We just want to be left alone. However, we have come to the aid of others since we have been a Country "At their request mind you", but isnt that what freinds do? Have you ever seen a bully on a playground picking on some kid and you wanted to put a stop to it before that kid got really hurt? Then most of the kids start looking to you for help knowing you will help them because you didnt put up with that crap before. So you get to this place where your damned if you do and damned if you dont. That's the way I look at America. Was it a mistake to help our freinds when they were being run over by Nazi's in WW2? I dont think most of Europe would think it was a mistake. Was it our fault we got attacked at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii? I dont think most American's would say "We had that comming". And what we are in now makes Pearl Harbor look like small potatoes. The left's way of thinking frightens me. I dont know about you but I am sick of getting attacked. We knew we were going to swat a hornets nest when we started going after those that want us all dead. And dont kid yourself, they arent going to stop! Unless WE stop them. Some may see this as the biggest mistake we ever made, but you try being at work and have the whole building shake, and feel this swoosh blow right past you, you get knocked to the ground, the lights are out, and you have to try to find your way out of the building with sprinklers going off and your crawling to the nearest light you see hoping that will be the exit out of there because some lunatic just set off a truck bomb a few blocks away from your building, your home, somewhere you were suppose to be safe. Somehow after an episode like that terrorism seems to have a whole new meaning. You arent safe anywhere...anymore. I can only imagine what those people went through on 9-11, and that brought back horrible memories for me, because I might have been killed the morning of April 19, 1995. Only that was an attack on the ENTIRE Country, not just Oklahoma City. The reason the left's way of thinking frightens me is because most of you want to go back to pre-9-11 thinking. There is NO turning back. WE were the ones who got attacked. ALL of us. And if you think terrorists will stop at an ocean anymore I think 9-11 proved us all wrong. But you guys continue to hate the President, and all the man ever wanted to do was keep us safe, save us some money, enable everyone to have a job, and yes get even for the most horrifying thing that ever happened on US soil. You get knocked on your ass and tell me you wouldnt get back up swinging! Getting even doesnt mean going after one Country with a bunch of assassins in it anymore. Sure they are comming out of the woodwork, and we will just keep knocking them back down. Until they no longer can get up to knock us back on our asses ever again. Fighting back doesnt mean we are the bully of the block. It means we wont take this crap anymore and we will hunt you down and kick your ass for ever knocking us on our ass to begin with. (I look at it like a street thug gang kind of thing, they are in every state, and you take out a large chunk of gang members in one state, but the other gang members in the other states will find out and try to get back at you for taking out a chunk of gang members in the other state and so on and so on until one day there arent any more gang members! Because we got sick of being shot at on a daily basis buy thugs. And we just wanted to take our neighborhood back so we could all live in peace and maybe someday have a BBQ together again like the good old days before these thugs decided that was "Their territory". Oh sure they had kids that were going to become gang members some day, but seeing all the rest of their gang just go down repeatedly they just throw in the towel and say, "We have been at this for so long what's the point"? "Maybe we can all live together and just not mess with these people anymore because they arent going to put up with it and they certainly arent going to back down so it's useless to keep this up when we get our asses kicked constantly"! Only thing is these gang members have BOMBS, and they have trained for this, and will be a little harder to defeat but it will be done)
Far fetched idea huh?
I dont think it is.
Do I agree with every single thing the President does? NO
Do I stand by his side in this battle against those that want us all dead, and will stop at nothing to accomplish this task unless we MAKE them stop? You bet your ASS!!
I know you dont see things the same way I do. I would Love to have peace and unity and find a common ground for all of us.
Actually there was a divide in our Country similar to this when President Reagan was in office, but NO never anything like this.
I did feel strongly about politics before this, again when Reagan was in office but never to the extent it has become today.
I do believe Humanity will win over greed. I dont see the greed, I see people that want a job and I know how you guys hate big business but those people are also the ones who HIRE people and allow a better future for everyone by paying the highest amount of taxes which contributes to our Nation's economy as well as workers that have a better chance at having the "Big Dream" by owning their own homes and paying taxes hence contributing to our Nations economy.
There arent as many problems as you think there are, and I know the news media misleads you into thinking this Country is headed in the "Wrong direction", I find that hard to believe when we have such a strong economy, consumer confidence is so high, and every one that want's a job can get one. And buying a home especially for the first time can do so easier than ever before. You are in school, you have the chance to make the best you possibly can out of your life and someday own that home. You must be in school for a reason, and I bet that reason is because you dont want to be a bum on the street, and you want that dream that every one else want's also and it's attainable for you if you desire.
I would like to see people quit pointing fingers also, but the way some of these people think at the moment I doubt that is going to happen. There is no reasoning for and it makes NO sense to hate Bush, he isnt doing the harm to the world, the Terrorist's are. And truthfully if this whole mess would have happened to a Democratic President believe it or not I would feel the same way. And I would be backing him the same and defending him in the same way, should he have come under attack like this especially during war time! Does Bush need to do more? YES. And I think if given the opportunity without trying to kill off every plan the man has just because you hate him or it isnt politicaly correct "Not to hate him" you would find he makes alot of sense and would further secure our futures, and that of our children.
I dont see that it's President Bush who is causing death and destruction, I see it as the terrorists who are doing that. I believe he want's to live in Peace just like everyone else, and wouldnt that be nice if we all could get along with one another? Every Country, everyone making money, everyone having clean air to breathe, everyone owning thier own home and just being happy? Get rid of terrorists, and pass some of his clean air proposals, and get into Hybrid cars or another type of clean burning fuel that could be used in that car, that he has proposed would certainly be a start. If you would only look at some of the things he want's to accomplish you would see things somewhat differently if only the left wasnt so hell bent on regaining power just because they want to further their own agenda. I suggest getting rid of special interest groups altogether. They shouldnt even be allowed to donate money to anyone's campaign because then the cantidate is beholden to them. But then again what do I know? I am going on and on and you probably wont read all this anyway. I should have just made this a post. But there you go you have my two cent's and then some.
And Kool-Aid drinkers comes from a man names Jim Jones who got 900+ people to believe in him, talked them into going with him to a Country called Guyana, where he got them so convinced that the government was comming to get them and their only way out was to drink Cyanide laced Kool-Aid, hence the name "Kool-Aid Drinkers", they all died believing something that was crazy and the man that was even crazier.
But you know all this, your just being looney.
Marie, I wanted to thank you for taking the time to post such a long thought out reply. I will reply soon as it will take a while to address your response.
Marie,
Yes I have you bookmarked
I don’t think that I’m insane (but we all think that)
Would you prefer I give up?
I am not in school and I have around 9+ computers at home
Left / Right ? are just words and stereo types. I prefer independence and humility. The only real reason I would associate myself with a political party is because you have to, I really wish there were more than two.
Lets just say I’m old enough to remember Vietnam and everything since. I’m old enough to remember my father coming home from Vietnam in a coffin. Old enough to have learned that what we are taught in elementary school about our founding fathers and how great they were is bullshit, that history is remembered a little differently from how it happened, that the United States is not necessarily as great as we may want to believe. I am not too proud to admit this though most people are.
I would love to look at the US in as positive of a light as you do but I remain skeptical and realistic. While it was great and heroic that we involved ourselves in WWII it is also a fact that we waited far too long to get involved and only stepped in when there was no other choice. Hitler could have been stopped well in advance of the atrocities that Nazi Germany committed. Vietnam on the other hand was a disgrace and the first time perhaps that our country learned that not everything is (or should be) our problem.
I hate Islamic Terrorists as much as anybody and agree that swift and direct action was absolutely necessary after 9/11. The problem was not enough immediate action in Afghanistan, and far too much action in Iraq. It boggles my mind that many ‘Americans’ STILL connect the 2 as if every middle eastern human is a potential terrorist. I suppose Bush could have invaded any country in the name of terrorism and been covered? Funny he would choose Iraq huh? Funny that he had intentions of a war with Iraq prior to 9/11. Though there has been more than enough evidence to prove that Iraq was of no threat, had no WMD, no nuclear program and that the sanctions were working. (Don’t even get me started about the atrocities the Iraqi people experienced due to sanctions) Now all that is bad enough, but in the process we completely lost sight of Bin Laden. He should have been our one and only objective and is still at large. North Korea was, is and has been a graver threat than Iraq ever was yet we compromise with them. Could it be there are no oil reserves in NK?
Can you honestly look a Cheney and Rumsfeld and not think they are evil crooks? I don’t care if the president is Republican or Democrat. As long as I feel they are competent, honest, and hold the countries best interests to heart. Not Haliburton, Enron, Exxon and the religious right. Not the rich or the lobbyists but everybody.
You don’t care what other countries think of us? Fine you don’t need their approval but think of how we look. I am not proud of ignorance, arrogance, consumption, and unfair trade agreements. How you feel as an American and how this administration is portraying the United States to the rest of the world are two very different things.
I love this country but am ashamed of our government! So much good could be done that isn’t and so much pain and despair could be avoided instead of created. Bush is an embarrassment to me. When I think of a foreigner seeing what we are doing and what we aren’t doing I’m personally embarrassed for our country. I’m saddened, angered and scared. Katrina was and still is a disgrace, Iraq is a disgrace, Exxon posting record breaking profits while were paying $3+ a gallon is a disgrace, the deficit is a disgrace, drilling for oil in Alaska’s reserves is a disgrace, Torturing Iraqis is a disgrace, holding prisoners indefinitely and denying them due process is a disgrace, Halliburton getting awarded unchallenged bids in Iraq is a disgrace. I’m not personally blaming George Bush for everything that has gone wrong he is far too incompetent to have personally caused this much harm, but he is in charge and should be held accountable for the state of our country and the countries we occupy. He didn’t cause Katrina but I didn’t see him helping either. And don’t tell me that voting for financial restitution is him doing his job because that alone has been a fiasco.
We should not ignore terrorism, we should fight it to the end but please let’s look at the heart of it. Let’s try and understand who we are fighting and why they are terrorists. There is a reason these people attack us and it is not simply that they hate us because we are free. Can we all please agree on this? THERE ARE REASONS THIS IS HAPPENING. We must address this if we hope for a safer less violent future.
Invading Iraq was wrong. As noble as its claim it was the wrong thing to do and I think took away a part of America that we have always cherished and that was never being the country that strikes first. This is exactly where Bush lost me forever. Since then his administration has continued on a downward spiral worse than I could have ever imagined and continuing to plummet. The War on terror has been an abusive war against our own liberties as a country we have violated countless laws against mankind that made us who we (were). And I want to return to that America. Not pre 9/11 but pre NEO con.
I think one thing that changed us on 9/11 and somewhat during Pearl Harbor is that the violence and death of war came to us. We have been fairly privileged as a nation ever since the civil and revolutionary wars that war has since always taken place elsewhere, places we could fly and setup camp and bomb raid and destroy without making a mess of our own country. We didn’t like getting a taste of war on our land did we? Now think of how our military presence must seem to countries we invade. Sure we like to think our intentions are good but a cluster bomb that wipes out an Iraqi neighborhood in our attempts to force democracy on them is NOT a good thing and you cannot expect Iraqis to think so. We as Americans have a lot of attitude but maybe we could show a little humanity. Killing people is nothing to sit back and be proud of whether you’re an Islamic militant or a young American soldier.
You speak of Bush as wanting to get even and I think the entire country and world for that matter agreed that action must be taken but he took action against Iraq. This is what mattered to everybody, the decision to invade Iraq is mind boggling. Why Iraq? The entire world spoke out in the largest anti-war protest the world has ever seen. (Do you remember this?) It just didn’t make any sense granted he had everybody’s sympathies so he went for it he built a very strong and false case for war and then it was too late. It’s hard to be ashamed and proud both. By invading Iraq we strengthened terrorism, we encouraged hatred, we instilled fear, and we murdered countless thousands because we had to lash out. We had to strike back. Only we hit a lot of the wrong targets and missed the true target. Everything since has been (pardon the swearing) a clusterfuck.
Bush, Rumsfeld, and Cheney have failed. I’m sorry but they have. Supporting the president when he has failed is not patriotic it’s psychotic but it’s easier than admitting that you were wrong.
Again I appreciate the time and emotion you have put in to your post. I’m afraid you have me mistaken for a young college punk that has the rest of his life before him but I am an adult, tax paying, home owning, citizen that is very concerned for the soul of this country. What scares me is that it seems that Bush sees himself as some sort of savior probably to make up for his failures as a son, as a businessman, as an oilman, alcoholic draft dodger. The scary thing is that he is proactively trying to create Armageddon, that it’s his mission in life to solve the world’s problems cowboy style no matter how insane it may be. This scares me. I am gravely opposed to it and it is my duty as a concerned citizen to stand against it! Wish me luck! It has actually turned out nice to chat with you.
Also I am aware of Jim Jones though the left isn’t quite that crazy. I thought you may have been referring to the acid kool-aid test crowd of the sixties (because they were labled as crazy freaks. You know one of the biggest problems with right versus left is fighting with each other instead of working together. And we are both guilty of that.
Also I realize you are full of hate for Michael Moore which I don’t really understand but whatever. Anyway, have you set down (ever) and actually watched Fahrenheit 9/11? I didn’t think so and know you won’t watch it but I would recommend it even the first 15 minutes were enough to wake me up. A lot of Moore bashers write it all off as lies and propaganda but really what isn’t propaganda? There are many aspects of this film and others that are true, real, video footage that is honest sincere fact. If only 5% of that film were true it would still be a tremendous development in the scandal at the heart of OUR country. You should not ignore opposing thoughts or especially facts, especially due to hating the delivery boy.
Peace
Purple Jesus
Purple,
WOW! And I thought I made long posts. Thank you for the reply.
I will need time to reply to your reply also!
Purple,
Where to start!
I only call you insane when you rant and rave and cuss constantly, cussing constantly just makes you look..well insane. But you managed to make through an extremely long post without cussing up a storm so maybe your not as insane as I thought you were. Or maybe I'm hoping your not.
That's up to you if you want to give up, your not going to change my mind and by the looks of things I'm certainly not going to change yours.
I have been thinking you are in school because every time you post it shows up that you are in some Art Institute or something, please tell me you are not institutionalized!
I guess you have issues with our Founding Fathers, I can imagine you and Thomas Jefferson having a good old fashioned one on one.
What exactly is it that bothers you about our Founding Fathers?
I dont consider the document's that were written for this Country and taught to us in elementary school as 'Bullshit'. Then again I guess it's how you determine 'History' for yourself as to what your opinion may be of it.
On one hand you say we were heroic and all when we involved ourselves in WW2, yet you seem to forget that we were 'Asked' to get involved when Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt met in Tehran, Iran and figured out a strategy to win the war. Their was a choice, we could have sat back and did nothing! (Setting aside Japan)
Veitnam was deffinately a mistake, however we were winning and could have won had we had the support at home. I dont like how we got there, and I will remind you it was Kennedy and Johnson who sent the troops. Kennedy would have sent the troops had he not been assasinated. But then Johnson picked up where Kennedy left off. But then again it was at the 'Request' of the Veitnamese that we ever got involved to begin with. Either way I think most Americans think we should have sat that one out.
I hate terrorists, Islamic most, homegrown some. I hate them all.
The reason it boggles your mind that many Americans find this connection between 9-11 and Iraq is because it isnt necessarily a 'Connection' between the two, what you are not understanding is the connection of terrorism as a whole. When the President said "The War On Terrorism Has Begun" he wasnt just talking about striking back at Usama, he was talking about striking back at terrorism period! However the link (To ME anyway) between the two is astounding. It's hardly brought up in the media anymore, nor hardly talked about at all, but I find it quite interesting why we found Zarqowi in Iraq to begin with. Zarqowi was in Afghanistan fighting against us, we blew his leg off, and of all places for him to go to get medical treatment was Iraq? Why Iraq? Why not Jordan, Iran, Syria? There was some reason he thought he could get safe haven and medical treatment in Iraq. Call me crazy but it's not to far fetched (For Me) to associate the two.
You say connecting the two as if every middle eastern human is a potential terrorist, well there again call me crazy but with the exception of Oklahoma City, every single terrorist attack against us has been from someone that is Islamic! And you say Bush could have invaded any country in the name of terrorism and been covered. Well I guess we could have invaded Pakistan on our way to Iraq. They have oil too, but considering they helped us with A.Q. Kahn, and are an ally in the war on terror I dont think that would have been a smart move. But honestly I think Bin Laden is dead, or close to it. He is "Contained", and reduced to getting or sending his messages via donkey back, and living in a cave. He sure isnt using Afghanistan as his playground for recruiting and training terrorists anymore. And he sure cant pick up his cell phone and play "Dial a Terrorist" anymore. So the arguement that we havent focused enough on Bin Laden isnt even an arguement anymore.
I dont think it's funny at all that we chose Iraq. After 17 UN resolutions and 13 years later, sending money to the families of suicide bombers in Palestine, invading Kuwaiit, using WMD on his own people and the Iranians, shooting at ours and British aircraft patrolling the "No Fly Zones", scorching the earth (I'm quite sure that contributed to global warming also), trying to have our President at the time assasinated, commiting genocide on his own people, amongst other numerous things, that pretty much constitutes him as a terrorist! Which put's him on "America's Most Wanted". Not to mention he had the ENTIRE WORLD believing he possessed and was capable of launching a nuclear weapon at any time.
And the notion that Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq before 9-11 is nuts.
President Bush had alot more things on his mind when he entered office.
No there has been no more evidence of WMD in Iraq. Strange isnt it? He had WMD, he used them on his own people and the Iranians, and I'm quite sure President Clinton sending a few cruise missles into Iraq didnt destroy them. As for his nuclear program Saddam had the entire world convinced that he still had an operating and ready to launch nuke facility. He even had the United Nations and the world convinced he was ready to launch. Maybe the greatest deception of all time but it worked for him. He thought maybe we would throw a few more missles his way, but he NEVER thought we would invade! And sanctions! You say dont get YOU started on the atrocities commited on the Iraqi people by sanctions, dont get ME started! Saddam took the money WE sent for the Iraqi people, funneled it through all sorts of bank accounts, with the help of the French, Germans, and Russians (And who knows who else was involved) and the United Nations, funneled it back into Saddams pocket and allowed the Iraqi people to starve!
Hence "The Oil For Food Program Scandal", which by the way we would have never uncovered had we not invaded.
And that Chia Pet over in North Korea talks alot of crap but he really wants money. It would just be easier to pay him off. He is no where near the threat Iran is!
No I dont look at Cheney and Rumsfeld and see crooks. I do however look at Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Robert Byrd and most of the Democratic party as crooks!
I cant think of another company besides Halliburton, or Kellog Brown and Root, capable of doing the jobs they are doing in Iraq. Can you? And even Chuck Schumer D-NY said on one of those Sunday talk shows not to long ago he would be all for Halliburton controlling our ports instead of the UAE, when that issue came up. If there is another company out there capable of doing the jobs that Halliburton, and KBR are doing I would like to hear about them. And that arguement that "We went to Iraq for the oil" is moot! If we did, where is it?
I dont recall saying "I dont care what other countries think of us" in this particular post. I understand now why France, Germany, and Russia didnt want to get involved with Iraq, they were making money off the Oil For Food Program. But they are helping in the GLOBAL war on terror. And the way other countries look at us probably started when everyone made an issue out of President Clinton's blow job! They probably thought "Those Americans are nuts"!
And I really dont think that whole thing should have been an issue at all except when Clinton lied to the American people about it. But that's beside the point.
You say you LOVE your Country, but you are ashamed of it and it embarasses you, yet earlier you said, the United States is not necessarily as great as we may want to believe. Which is it?
You say "How you feel as an American and how this administration is portraying the United States to the rest of the world are two very different things". Well I would think this Country would be portrayed quite differently if there wasnt so much squaking and crying from the left and those that want to see us fail in our own Country and abroad just to further thier own political agenda. I am embarrassed now too at what other other Countries think when they see us with all this crying and moaning that has been going on. There used to be a time when we all stood together as one, right or wrong, as one, rooting for our Country to succeed, I guess those days are long gone. There is to much of a divide now. I dont think people would have dared to act like this in WW2. If they did they did it quietly, sometimes protesting, but never like this. That adds fuel to the enemy, and makes us look like idiots to some in other countries. However there are still people dieing, litteraly to get to this country even in the midst of a war!! Some people must not think we are to much of an embarrassement!!
Your right: So much good could be done that isn’t and so much pain and despair could be avoided instead of created. If those on the left and those that want us to fail would just shut up and lets get together as one and put an end to this terrorist nightmare!
Katrina, I guess that's all Bush's fault too, I suppose the Mayor of New Orleans and the Governor of the Louisiana share NO blame in this mess. Please!! The Mayor could have used school buses that sat empty and got flooded to evacuate people BEFORE the hurricane hit! The Governor was sure the levees werent breeched after the hurricane hit, while she was giving that speach water was pouring through them. Talk about incompetance! The Army Corp. of Engineers had to wait for SOMEONE, ANYONE in Louisiana to give them the go ahead to start rebuilding the levees, and they got approval by the Governor only a few months ago and now they are in a race against time before hurricane season starts again! And the Louisiana Government let 9000 mobile homes sit in Hope, Arkansas waiting to be placed where destroyed homes sat in Louisiana because the Mayor and other officials decided they wanted the destroyed homes rebuilt and it would be better to stuff evacuees in motels while the taxpayers (You and I) paid to have this done. Where were they expecting to put these people? And how long did they think we the taxpayers were going to pay for this? Not to mention several million dollars that is still unaccounted for by the government of Louisiana! It's strange to me that the other hurricane riddled states are rebuilding, even hurricane riddled Florida. Yet Louisiana still sits there figureing out what to do? Could FEMA have done more faster? Yes. Is it all President Bush's fault NO. I think there is plenty of blame to go around.
Lumping alot of this together:
Invading Iraq was not the Noble thing to do! It was necessary. We know perfectly well why we were attacked, who attacked us and what we have to do to put an end to this crap. I know you dont lump together 9-11 to Iraq, but you cant ignore the terrorism part of this issue. And brace yourself because I dont think we are done yet. Now I dont mean troops on the ground in all the middle eastern countries either. Like the President said "Some operations would be Covert and some would be Overt", Diplomacy will always be our first course of action, instead of "The attack first policy". But like it or not we are going to put an end to this crap and no matter what President gets in there next I dont care what they promise you in campaign speaches that will be the policy.
I agree torturing prisoners was a disgrace and those that did it were held accountable, have been tried, convicted, and serving time for what they did. And I have noticed since they were brought to justice, that whole mess stopped!
I do believe until we find out who is who we should hold those that claim to be Al-Quaida without any court appearances for the time needed to find out what information we need out of them and what we dont. And I will remind you that those that can provide further information are being held and those that have provided all they can have been released. You say since this war on terror began we have violated countless laws against humanity, yet in WW2 we held Japenese in internment camps! I didnt see that happen with any Muslim in America after 9-11. You also say it has been a cluster****, I dont think having 3 successful elections in Iraq, the Iraqi's forming thier new government, the American troops standing back while the Iraqi's are being trained, standing up, and taking the fight to the enemy's of thier own country day after day as... well I'll just call it "As a mess".
I dont see Libya dissarming as a mess. I dont see leaders in other Islamic countries helping us as a mess. I dont see a downward spiral here. I see it as we have gained two very important new allies, Afghanistan and Iraq! I could go on and on but it wont change your mind and I will be wasting my fingers here.
You can blame Bush and Rumsfeld all you want, but they have failed at nothing.
And yes I have a hatred for Michael Moore and dont forget Teddy Kennedy!
Yes I saw Farenheit 9-11, I wanted to see what all the whoopla was about, I knew Mikie was full of crap when he got to the part about the Secret Service patrolling around Embassy Row. The Secret Service DONT go around in Patrol Cars! I have had my own "Visit" by the Secret Service (Dont ask) and you will NEVER see them comming! They NEVER make themselves obvious until they are right up your you know what! That's when I knew Mikie was a crock. And yes I do listen to opposing views and keep an open mind until I find out they are crazy or full of crap.
Actually it has been a hoot chatting with you also!
Now I expect you will probably go insane on me again. Have a blast!! Just remember if you go too insane I will delete you! Debate is fine with me, if I didnt keep an open mind I sure wouldnt be chatting with you.
Sincerely,
Marie
Marie, I will not go insane on you but will simply say that I don't think we could poossibly disagree more. It actually amazes me how much our thinking differs, as does our take on history. Thats probably not such a bad thing. Part of what makes our country great perhaps. A couple things though I do not think the constitution is bullshit I think the genocide of native Americans and slavery of Africans was bullshit. Also I'm not embarassed by our country I'm embarassed by the incompetence and horrible decision making by our current administration. I'm proud of those who are brave enough to question it and stand up against it! We'll see how it all plays out of course. The ironic thing is that I know we both hope for the best!
Purple,
Why should it amaze you at how far apart our thinking differs?
You are extremely far left and I am extremely far right! And you know what that means! We wouldnt even be able to sit the same room together, without causing some major disturbance that would probably involve the police or something.
I am not proud of the way we treated the Indians or Slaves either. Pretty glad Abe Lincoln was a Republican too. But how long are we suppose to go on blaming our forefathers for something we had absolutely no control over since we werent even born yet? No I'm not proud but I refuse to be held accountable for something that happened over 200 years ago.
What you see as incomeptance, I see as strong, willing to take a stand, get the job done and done right, non waivering, and looking straight into the face of evil and saying "We arent going to take this crap anymore".
We do agree on one thing, we do want what's best, it's just your way of thinking how to acheive getting to that point is totally haywire.
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