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April 29, 2008

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Supreme Court Says States Can Demand Photo ID For Voting

States can require voters to produce photo identification, the Supreme Court ruled Monday, upholding a Republican-inspired law that Democrats say will keep some poor, older and minority voters from casting ballots.

Twenty-five states require some form of ID, and the court's 6-3 decision rejecting a challenge to Indiana's strict voter ID law could encourage others to adopt their own measures. Oklahoma legislators said the decision should help them get a version approved.

The ruling means the ID requirement will be in effect for next week's presidential primary in Indiana, where a significant number of new voters are expected to turn out for the Democratic contest between Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama.

The results could say something about the effect of the law, either because a large number of voters will lack identification and be forced to cast provisional ballots or because the number turns out to be small.

Supporters of the law say it's all about preventing fraud.

Indiana has a "valid interest in protecting 'the integrity and reliability of the electoral process,'" said Justice John Paul Stevens in an opinion that was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Anthony Kennedy.

Stevens said that Indiana's desire to prevent fraud and to inspire voter confidence in the election system are important even though there have been no reports of the kind of fraud the law was designed to combat. Evidence of voters being inconvenienced by the law's requirements also is scant. For the overwhelming majority of voters, an Indiana driver's license serves as the identification.

The law does not apply to absentee balloting, where election experts agree the threat of fraud is higher.

The Indiana law was passed in 2005. Democrats and civil rights groups opposed it as unconstitutional and called it a thinly veiled effort to discourage groups of voters who tend to prefer Democrats.

It was in effect during the 2006 elections when Democrats picked up three congressional seats in Indiana and won control of the state House of Representatives.

Justices Samuel Alito, Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas agreed with the outcome Monday, but wrote separately in favor of a broader defense of voter ID laws.

"The universally applicable requirements of Indiana's voter-identification law are eminently reasonable. The burden of acquiring, possessing and showing a free photo identification is simply not severe, because it does not 'even represent a significant increase over the usual burdens of voting,'" Scalia said.

Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter dissented.

Indiana's voter ID law "threatens to impose nontrivial burdens on the voting rights of tens of thousands of the state's citizens," Souter said.

The targets of the law, he said, are "voters who are poor and old."

Yet Stevens wrote that the law does not single out groups of voters for different treatment. "We cannot conclude that the statute imposes 'excessively burdensome requirements' on any class of voters," he said. That opinion suggested the outcome could be different in a state where voters could provide evidence that their rights had been impaired.

Indiana provides IDs free of charge to people without driver's licenses. It also allows voters who lack photo ID's to cast a provisional ballot and then show up within 10 days at their county courthouse to produce identification or otherwise attest to their identity.

Stevens said these provisions also help reduce the burden on people who lack driver's licenses.

Indiana Secretary of State Todd Rokita, a Republican, praised the decision. "This says to the voter you can have confidence again in the elections because we're doing some of the things the guy at the video store does when you go and rent a video," Rokita said.

Ken Falk, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Indiana, said the court was willing to burden "tens of thousands of eligible voters who lack a government-issued identification while accepting at face value Indiana's unsubstantiated claim of voter fraud." The ACLU brought the case on behalf of Indiana voters.

The proliferation of voter ID laws followed the enactment in 2002 of the federal Help America Vote Act. The law was designed in response to the disputed 2000 presidential election. The law's voter ID provisions apply to first-time voters and do not mandate photo identification.

Many Democrats criticized the ruling Monday. It places "an unnecessary burden on elderly and low-income voters, not to mention other voters of disparate racial and ethnic backgrounds," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada.

Mary Wilson, president of the League of Women Voters, said her group has never found a problem with in-person voter fraud. "We'd be the first ones out there to prevent voter fraud, if there really was a problem," she said.

Several critics pointed to a footnote in Stevens' opinion to show how far back he went — 140 years — to describe the corrosive effects of widespread fraud at polling places, a reference to Boss Tweed's influence in New York's municipal elections in 1868.

Republicans, meanwhile, praised the decision for recognizing the threat of voter fraud. "Today's ruling rightfully allows states to safeguard against such destructive abuse," said House Republican Leader John Boehner of Ohio.

In Oklahoma, Republican legislators said the ruling should help them pass a less-stringent voter ID bill. The Oklahoma House has approved legislation to require voters to present some form of identification — including a utility bill or bank statement. The measure faces a final vote by the state Senate.

Monday's case was the court's first significant foray into election law since the Bush v. Gore dispute that sealed the 2000 election for George W. Bush. The voter ID ruling, with no majority opinion and four of the nine justices writing, lacked the conservative-liberal split that marked the 2000 case.

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WOW! So that means the Democrats cant register Dead People, Illegal Aliens, and Convicted Felons to vote like last time. I'm all for this. I've alway's had to show ID in Oklahoma to vote as it is. And most states hand out Identification Cards for free anyway. This wont prevent all voter fraud, but it will eleiminate a great portion of it :-)

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Blogger Gayle said...

It's extremely good news for sure, Marie - a rarity these days! :)

April 29, 2008 3:35 PM  
Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

great!..are the Musssssssssslims protesting yet?

April 29, 2008 5:18 PM  
Blogger J_G said...

It's about friggen time they made a decision. It wasn't even close 6-3. Pretty much a no brainer.

April 30, 2008 1:38 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


It sure is :-)


LOL I dont know, but that means they will deffinately have to show thier face for an ID card ha!


No foolin. Now they have make this law and enforce it.

April 30, 2008 8:45 AM  
Blogger Dan O. said...

I'e had to show I.D. just for the last 3 or 4 ballots. About the same time we got electronic voting.

The only thing I don't get, is what about absentee voting? I think they should have to send in a photocopy of their I.D.. Otherwise, what's to keep the fraud there in check? If it's too much trouble, don't vote. And don't bitch!

April 30, 2008 9:28 AM  
Blogger Uncle Pavian said...

I dunno about this one, Marie. They weren't going to let me vote in 2006, even with a photo ID from the Motor Vehicle. It took three trips to the Election Commissioner's office and a bunch of phone calls to the Secretary of State before I could cast a ballot for a bunch of Republican losers.
On the other hand, the county can't get the tornado sirens to work for more than a couple of days at a time (, either, so I don't know what I was expecting.

April 30, 2008 10:01 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...


Even though there isnt a law quite in writing yet, in Oklahoma every time I have voted I HAVE to produce a picture ID to vote also.

Yeah they are going to have to do something about the absentee voting.

I guess you can try to get rid of the most prominant fraud, but you will probably never get rid of it all.

Uncle P,

Oh Uncle P. I remember you telling me all that. You had alot of problems voting last time lol, hopefully you wont this time.

As far as the Tornado sirens, they dont test them every Saturday at noon in Kansas?

They do here.

Oh man one time we had a storm late on a Friday night and I was watching the news to see where it was going, natually the damn thing formed one of those hooks and was touching the ground off and on and the Sirens from here to Moore to Bethany, etc... were sounding and as alway's I slightly paniced.

Then the news broadcasts the time of arrivals that the storm will reach which county/city, well OKC was on the list.

So I start throwing all my medications in a bag and there are two plastic containers that I keep my most important paperwork and pictures and that kind of stuff in and I will NEVER leave this house without them. Well I run around thinking "Have I got everything I need just in case"? And I'm running out of time and put all my stuff in the car, I'm panicing pretty good now, and then the Tornado veered in a different direction lol.


It's still all cloudy and we are still under Tornado watch, hit's noon, Siren goes off, I paniced and started the whole process over again and then remembered this is Saturday this is a test haha.

Sometimes we have to keep that in mind here.

But you are in Tornado ally also, I'm surprised they dont test your Sirens at least once a week!

April 30, 2008 10:49 AM  
Blogger Uncle Pavian said...

Around here, they test the tornado sirens on Monday, so they don't have to pay overtime. That's how they know they don't work.

April 30, 2008 11:30 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Uncle P,

Oh Heavens! Monday would drive me nuts.

Now that is some kind of State Problem is it not if the Sirens arent working?

You need to notify someone, a Senator maybe?

April 30, 2008 12:05 PM  
Blogger Uncle Pavian said...

Nah. They only let government employees into the storm shelters anyway.

April 30, 2008 4:03 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Uncle P,

Then shove your way into one lol

May 02, 2008 11:06 AM  

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