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Homeland Security Advisory

April 21, 2008

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Hamas Endorses Obama, Enough Of Obama, Enough Is Enough

Hamas Endorses Obama

Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama has received an endorsement he might well wish he hadn’t — from the militant Palestinian group Hamas.

Ahmed Yousuf, Hamas’ top political adviser in the Gaza Strip, delivered his endorsement in an interview with WorldNetDaily and WABC Radio in New York.



“We like Mr. Obama, and we hope that he will win the elections,” Yousuf said.

“I do believe [Obama] is like John Kennedy, a great man with a great principle. And he has a vision to change America, to [put] it in a position to lead the world community, but not with humiliation and arrogance.”

The U.S. and Israel have been seeking to isolate Hamas, which seized control of Gaza in June and is classified by the State Department as a terrorist group.

Obama, as well as presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and John McCain, have all referred to Hamas as a “terrorist organization,” according to WorldNetDaily.



Asked about Obama’s criticism of former President Jimmy Carter’s meeting with Hamas during his Middle Eastern trip, Yousuf said:

“I understand American politics and this is the season for elections and everybody tries to sound like he’s a friend of Israel…

“I hope Mr. Obama and the Democrats will change the political discourse when one of them will be the president.”

Story Here
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Ok, Enough is enough with this crap. If a "Terrorist" Group is endorsing this man it's time for him to go. NO MORE BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!!

ALSO BLOGGING:

Dragonlady's Den

Dragonlady's Den has an outstanding Video of Obama telling lie after lie after lie!



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47 Comments:

Anonymous Jean B. said...

there is no chance i will vote for this man

April 21, 2008 12:26 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Jean,

Way to go :-)

April 21, 2008 12:47 PM  
Blogger Ortho said...

Dear Marie,

I enjoy reading your blog. I traveled here from Gayle's blog. I must say, keep up the good work!

Yours truly,
Ortho

April 21, 2008 5:42 PM  
Blogger WomanHonorThyself said...

WTG Marie...Nobama better not get near the White House girl!

April 21, 2008 6:13 PM  
Anonymous Americaneocon said...

This really is scary. You've got Carter over there enabling terrorism - Israel's government won't even see him - and now these killers endorsing the likely Democratic nominee.

And just to talk about it and the left will call us fear-mongerers and Nazis.

Everything's all upside down!

Keep up your good work!!

April 21, 2008 6:30 PM  
Blogger J_G said...

Obamanation is nothing more than a black James Earl Carter the worst President in American history. Obamanation would bring our defenses and especially our offensive military capabilities to an unacceptable level. He would also give credibility to terrorists groups like hamas and al queda by having talks with them. What would he say to them? We surrender. That's what the worst President in American history is doing with hams right now except he is surrendering Israel which I don't think have any intentions of doing themselves.

They are going to cut Carter's funding off so he will have to raise his own money to go on these trips because right now he's over there surrendering Israel on our dime with money from the Carter foundation that gets money from taxpayers.

April 21, 2008 7:29 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Ortho,

Thank You :-)

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Angel,

Nobama LOL

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Americaneocon,

Thank You :-)

This is scary, I know it.

Obama's ties to William Ayres of the Weather Underground terror organization that admitted to bombing the Pentagon and wished he'd done more, then Jeremiah Wright (Obama's Radical Racial Pastor), Louis Farrakhan (Nation Of Islam), Tony Rezko and his wild campaign donations to Obama's campaign.
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Jenn,

Yes they are going to cut Carter off and rightly so I think.

I'm not paying one more dime to finance Carter's trips around the globe to hob knob with Terrorists and I'm going to call the White House and tell them that.


All of this adds up to one scary picture!

April 21, 2008 9:27 PM  
Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

Another great job on this blog Marie.
Thank you.
I love that Petition to Fire Bill Maher.
http://www.theonlinewire.com/articleView.aspx?ID=3385

April 22, 2008 5:13 AM  
Anonymous Joanne said...

Apparently it is very bad for terrorists to endorse US presidential candidates, and apparently it means that those candidates are sympathizers with those said terrorists.

George W. Bush received the endorsement of al Qaeda in 2004. Remember al Qaeda, the people responsible for killing 3,000 Americans?

Did you vote for George Bush after al Qaeda supported him?????

Did you say "Enough is Enough!" at that time when a terrorist organization endorsed George W. Bush? Just wondering.


In March 2004, the daily Arab-language newspaper al Hayat received a statement from the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades, an Al Qaeda inspired group, which claimed responsibility for the Madrid subway bombings.


"The statement said it supported President Bush in his reelection campaign, and would prefer him to win in November rather than the Democratic candidate John Kerry, as it was not possible to find a leader 'more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom.' In comments addressed to Bush, the group said: 'Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization. Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.'"
Reuters, 3-17-04

April 22, 2008 5:20 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

I just posted a link to this news too, Marie. Once again we're on the same page. Nothing that comes out about this man surprises me anymore.

There's also this supposed letter from missionaries that accuses Obama of being a Muslim. They say his full name in Kenya is Barrack Hussein Muhammad Obama. There is more at the link. I found it interesting, but don't know if the letter is genuine or not... at least not yet. We shall see. As I said, nothing would surprise me anymore.

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19990.shtml

April 22, 2008 6:06 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

Sorry, the entire url didn't paste. Here it is again:

http://www.michnews.com/artman/publish/article_19990.shtml

April 22, 2008 6:07 AM  
Blogger Gayle said...

Dang! I can't get it to paste. Check your e-mail. I'll mail it to you.

April 22, 2008 6:07 AM  
Blogger DD2 aka Debonair Dude said...

Some days I get up and start the morning writing my blog and thinking maybe I should be a little less cynical. But then I read about Jimmy Carter saying that Hamas told him they'd recognize Israel, and Hamas says the opposite.
So I say to myself, up yours Jimmy and company. Screw you and the camel you rode in with.
I am what I am

April 22, 2008 7:51 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

DD,

Thank You :-)

I dropped HBO over the weekend because of all this crap with Bill Maher calling the Pope a Nazi and then not apologizing for it.

I've had enough of him too.
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Joanne,

AQ wanted Kerry in 2004. I know because I made an issue out of that too. It's in my archives.

I remember saying if they want Kerry then Bush must be doing something right!

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Gayle,

LOL, I'll check my mail
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DD,

Carter went over there on his own and made one hell of a mess didnt he? I'm with you, SCREW YOU JIMMY CARTER!

April 22, 2008 9:13 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Ya know,

Obama better back up off my Senator Tom Coburn.

There is NO comparison in Coburn and Jerimiah Wright, what a Moron!

April 22, 2008 10:23 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uViQ0hVV57Q


Here's the video of Pastor Hagee, WHO FULLY ENDORSED JOHN MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT AND MCCAIN "HONORABLY ACCEPTS" HIS ENDORSEMENT, lecturing on how the Catholic Church is the "great whore".

Why, Marie, do you not denounce this Pastor and McCain for accepting his endorsement?

Cough-hypocrisy-cough...

Here's more:

"Hagee's attack against Christian antisemitism in his book Jerusalem Countdown claimed that Adolf Hitler's antisemitism derived especially from his Catholic background, and that the Catholic Church under Pope Pius XII encouraged Nazism instead of denouncing it. (pp. 79-81) [22] He also states that the Roman Catholic Church "plunged the world into the Dark Ages," allowed for the Crusaders to rape and murder with impunity, and called for Jews to be treated as "Christ killers". (p. 73) Later in the book (pp. 81-2), however, he praises Pope John Paul II for repudiating past antisemitism in the Roman Catholic Church."

With your 24-hour Pope Coverage Marie, I'm really surprised you have spoken out against this guy. But I wouldn't expect it: he supports McCain, so it didn't happen.

Hagee is a pastor with a congregration: Maher is a comedian/entertainer on cable television.

April 22, 2008 10:46 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

When I have the time I will investigate this guy OK?

But that is NO comparison to the hate speech Obama's Pastor has spewed.

But if that screwball is downgrading the Pope I'll call him out too!

April 22, 2008 10:51 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

No you won't...because you won't even investigate it.

You're right: Hagee's hate speech is much worse.

Be careful: Hagee endorsed McCain and McCain is "honored to have it." A possible blog post on this subject would be impossible for you because it takes a hard look at McCain, and to the right wing nut jobs, that's taboo.

April 22, 2008 12:53 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

No you won't...because you won't even investigate it.

You're right: Hagee's hate speech is much worse.

Be careful: Hagee endorsed McCain and McCain is "honored to have it." A possible blog post on this subject would be impossible for you because it takes a hard look at McCain, and to the right wing nut jobs, that's taboo.



LOL! I dont think you know me well enough to make a call like that!

April 22, 2008 1:06 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Well, let's see.

No post on the Pentagon having a contract with the company owned by Warren Jeffs, convicted polygamist, rapist and was on the FBI Most Wanted List and the Pentagon knew that and still did business with him.

Nothing.

Former Michigan Congressman Siljander arrested and charged with over 50 counts of aiding terrorism (former Reagan cabinet member).

Nothing.

NJ man arrested for releasing U.S. nuclear weapons secrets to Israel during between 1979-1985.

Nothing.

John McCain leaving his first wife, who was gravely ill, upon his return home from POW capture, for a younger, millionaire woman. He refuses to post her income tax return although the right was SCREAMING for Hillary and Obama to be FULLY transparent.

Nothing.

Rick Renzi, who makes Tom Delay look like St. Francis, exchanged support of legislation for a land deal that was to bring him over $700,000. 35 count indictment.

Nothing.

Grand Total to date:

Convicted:
102 Republicans. 1 Democrat

Indicted: 5 Republicans. 1 Democrat

Confessed under grant of Immunity: 1 Republican. 0 Democrats

Under investigation:
21 Republicans. 1 Democrat

Implicated:
75 Republicans. 0 Democrats

Total: 204 Republicans. 3 Democrats

What was that again Marie about Democrats have so many more involved in corruption?

This is NOT EVEN CLOSE!

So...I highly doubt Marie that you are going to look at anything that would make anyone on the right look anything less than perfect, innocent and patriotic.

Statistics provided by:

http://txsharon.blogspot.com/2007/08/corruption-in-government-comprehensive.html

April 22, 2008 2:08 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

Dude! You have a blog, why dont you investigate all this stuff?

I have been known to go against my own party when they need it.

But that's not very often. So when I decide this is noteworthy or worth researching and when I have the time I will.

Your list is to long lol

Tom Delay? He's yesterday's news!

April 22, 2008 2:31 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

As expected...

April 22, 2008 8:18 PM  
Blogger J_G said...

Too tired to dump on faux guy tonight. It's too easy anyway. Let me see what they're saying over at daily kook so I know what he's talkng about.

April 22, 2008 11:51 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

I knew J_G was a closet Daily Kos reader! As they say, "If you spot, you got it."

Still haven't been there J_G...so please keep me updated with what they're talking about.

I try to listen to Rush or Hannity, if I can stop myself from vomiting in my own mouth, so I can prepare for the mindless talking points you will posit.

What is it today?

"If you vote Democrat you're riding with Osama."

"If you don't wear a flag lapel pin you're not patriotic."

"You're either with us or against us."

"They hate us for our freedoms."

"Al-Qaeda won't stop until they have complete world domination."

"Jimmy Carter knows where Osama is and is not telling."



Let me know which one of these deeply intellectual points is the flavor of the day so I can attempt to meet you at the required level of adolescent thought. You're like an Ann Coulter minus the Adams Apple.

April 23, 2008 4:50 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Funny cartoon...what is McSame's plan on "anti-terrorism"?

LOL...Obama has talked incessantly on going to Afghanistan and Pakistan to find Bin Laden and top Al-Qaeda leaders (you know, the person who was responsible for 9/11--- lest we forget because we're not looking for him).

Obama not having an "anti-terrorism" plan = not wanting to invade, bomb and occupy Iran, Syria, Turkey, Jordan, Libya, Afghanistan (and all other countries ending in 'stan').

Right-wing nut jobs love war like Larry Craig loves bathroom stalls.

April 23, 2008 9:11 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

What do I look like? Why on earth am I suppose to investigate Tom Delay? LOL

My job here is to get a REPUBLICAN in office!

NOT a Democrat.

Now I have turned on my own party only when I thought what they were doing was completely stupid, for instance: The Dubai Port's Deal, Tom Foley got lambasted by me, and the Amnesty Plan for Illegals was put to a stop by like minded thinking people that comment here and myself with emails and phone calls to the White House.

Those kind of things.

I'm not interested in all that other stuff you keep making list's for me to do. LOL

As for Jenn and the Daily Kook's, havent you heard keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

Of course we check out The Daily Kook's and HuffPo, we have to know what they are saying so we can combat it with actual fact.

I have never had anyone come on here and make a list of things for me to investigate in THIER Interest's, and I find this quite amusing.

April 23, 2008 9:21 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

Who do you think supplies AQ, Hamas, Hezblah, with thier weapons?

IRAN!

Going into Pakistan, an ally in the War on Terror shows how unexperienced Obama is.

He want's to go after where he assumes Bin Laden is. Bin Laden has been reduced to a Mule and a Video Camera! I think it's safe to say Bin Laden is contained. However AQ is all over the place and we must go to these places where they are and stop them there and stop thier supply of money and weaponry and that is coming from Iran!

Most of Bin Ladens family lives in Iran! Not Pakistan.

Obama does not have the maturity, nor the expertise to be President of the United States.

I know the terrorists would love to see Obama in office but it just isnt going to happen.

April 23, 2008 9:40 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

LOL...Bush was talking about going into Pakistan with or without Musharraf's support back in 2004! That's not an original idea! If you want to blast someone for proposing that idea, post about Bush....oh wait...you won't, because that is the right-wing nut job Higher Power.

Tom Delay? Huh? Who said anything about researching Tom Delay? Why? He's been found guilty and done away with. Who cares? But you are the spin-master Marie...so I'm sure you have a reason to divert attention away from the CURRENT Republican members of government and their corruption.

Bin Laden IS in Pakistan/Afghanistan. I think you and Bush are the only ones who don't know that.

Wow...where's the link that says that Iran is supplying weapons to ALL of the terrorist groups in the Middle East? Or are you just making that up and hoping I don't catch it?

We used to supply Al-Qaeda back in the late 70's, early 80's. Maybe you have Iran and the U.S. mixed up?

But seriously, to get back to truth and reality. Iran is Shiite and Al-Qaeda is Sunni insurgent. So...Iran would be supplying Al-Qaeda? Huh???? Come on Marie, you can't just post something like that and think I'll let it slide.

You understand it about as well as McCain...LOL...which is that you don't understand it all (most likely because you're getting your news from Fox News)!

You were mentioning inexperience...sounds like Obama has a grasp of the landscape...McSame doesn't have a clue! LOL...poor old guy wishes it was simple like when it was Americans vs. Jerries.

You've got some homework to do on Iran.

April 23, 2008 12:51 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

federalist links to a blog for credible information; yet dismisses without investigating the substance of the contents, whenever I link to Flopping Aces? Unconscionable!

On Iran's meddling.

Relationships and ties are a complex thing, federalist.

April 23, 2008 2:11 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

federalist,

Could you redo the link to txsharon's blog? I cut and pasted your link, but it didn't bring me to the specific post.

April 23, 2008 2:13 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

LOL...Bush was talking about going into Pakistan with or without Musharraf's support back in 2004! That's not an original idea! If you want to blast someone for proposing that idea, post about Bush....oh wait...you won't, because that is the right-wing nut job Higher Power.

Oh now you are showing you are clueless on this situation or you dont remember, Bush told Musharraf shortly after 9-11 that he would "Bomb Them Back To The Stone Age If They Didnt Participate In The War On Terror"! Well, THEY ARE! So much for that arguement.

Tom Delay? Huh? Who said anything about researching Tom Delay? Why? He's been found guilty and done away with. Who cares? But you are the spin-master Marie...so I'm sure you have a reason to divert attention away from the CURRENT Republican members of government and their corruption.

Ok answer me this, what on earth does Tom Delay have to do with THIS election? NOTHING! Therefore it is a waste of my time. Besides the Liberals have more Corruption to be brought out and talked about because they constantly get a free pass. And that's no spin!


Bin Laden IS in Pakistan/Afghanistan. I think you and Bush are the only ones who don't know that.

Actually he is believed to be in Waziristan, the most rugged terrain of Pakistan where only Mules can get to, but without a sighting, or actionable intelligence, we arent going to send our Troops by Mule up there to find out. Now if there is actionable intelligence and someone has spotted Bin Hidin, we cant help it if an Unmaned Drone just happens to have fired a missile into one of those caves and takes him out. :-) OOPS!


Wow...where's the link that says that Iran is supplying weapons to ALL of the terrorist groups in the Middle East? Or are you just making that up and hoping I don't catch it?

Oh My God! You must not get DOD updates, or must not follow any Military websites. They have found weapons in Iraq that have blown up some of our Soldiers that the Iraqi's and US and Coalition Military Forces have identified to have come from Iran!

The Israeli's have identified the rockets that shoot across into thier Country constantly from Lebanon and The Palestinians as having come from Iran. And Iran doesnt even deny arming Hezblah or HamASS. Give me a break here. Iran is NOT the pretty little picture you try to make it out to be.

Remember Google is your friend.



We used to supply Al-Qaeda back in the late 70's, early 80's. Maybe you have Iran and the U.S. mixed up?

Uh correction, we used to supply the "Taliban" with weaponry to fight off the Soviets.

Name me a Country that hasnt done things like that for thier own self interests. Just One!

Maybe YOU think I have Iran and the US mixed up, but then again what would I expect from you, you seem to blame America for all the ills in this world when there has been stuff going on like this in other Countries for all kinds of reasons for Centuries!



But seriously, to get back to truth and reality. Iran is Shiite and Al-Qaeda is Sunni insurgent. So...Iran would be supplying Al-Qaeda? Huh???? Come on Marie, you can't just post something like that and think I'll let it slide.

Oh by all means stick with reality! AQ is everywhere, they are from all walks of life, they are in the Philipines, Nigeria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Britain, Spain, etc..etc.. They are all different colors also.

If you on the left believe they are all concentrated in Pakistan then you are totally clueless, and have no business running this Country!


You understand it about as well as McCain...LOL...which is that you don't understand it all (most likely because you're getting your news from Fox News)!

Excuse me but I think McCain understands the threat to this Country as much as those of us that actually do keep up! And dont rely souly on Fox News for information. It is YOU my dear that still doesnt get it, or maybe you do and you try to spin it your way!

You were mentioning inexperience...sounds like Obama has a grasp of the landscape...McSame doesn't have a clue! LOL...poor old guy wishes it was simple like when it was Americans vs. Jerries.

I mentioned not only inexperience but expertise neither of which Obama has. Has a grasp of the Landscape dont make me laugh!

You've got some homework to do on Iran.

I think it is YOU who needs to do YOUR homework on Iran.

Whether you like it or not this whole thing started with Iran and will end with Iran. And we wont have to put up with terrorist bullshit anymore :-)

April 23, 2008 2:43 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Here's another link to add to what Wordsmith so eloquintly added to this discussion.

Fmr. U.S. Envoy Issues Urgent Warning on Iran

April 23, 2008 2:54 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Marie,

Newsmax? Aarrgghh...please. Enough of admittedly right-wing news sources. Why don't you just post a link to the National Enquirer?

I didn't say that Iran was not supplying Hamas or Hezbollah. They have in fact found weapons in Iraq that have come from Iran. You're right. But Iran is a bitter enemy of al-Qaeda, they certainly don't supply them with weapons and they don't train their terrorists.

But...

If you are under the impression that ALL insurgents in Iraq are al-Qaeda, I could see where you're confused. Fox News often misrepresents the situation in Iraq. Most of the insurgents in Iraq, sadly, ARE NOT al-Qaeda.

I'm not going to explain the players in this. Perhaps Wordsmith could, since you read the black parts of his posts while you read the white parts of my posts.

Here's Bush's plan for invading Pakistan WELL after the Iraq war started:

Bush would send troops inside Pakistan to catch bin Laden
POSTED: 1:44 a.m. EDT, September 22, 2006
NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush said Wednesday he would order U.S. forces to go after Osama bin Laden inside Pakistan if he received good intelligence on the fugitive al Qaeda leader's location.

"Absolutely," Bush said.

The president made the comments Wednesday in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

Although Pakistan has said it won't allow U.S. troops to operate within its territory, "we would take the action necessary to bring him to justice."

But Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, told reporters Wednesday at the United Nations that his government would oppose any U.S. action in its territory.

"We wouldn't like to allow that at all. We will do it ourselves," he said.

A January airstrike on suspected al Qaeda figures on the Pakistan border provoked protests by tens of thousands of Pakistanis and complaints by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who said U.S. officials launched the attack without consulting his government.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/20/bush.intv/index.html

Sorry, I don't know how to post links and have them where you can click and go there.

Where did I ever say that al-Qaeda was only in Pakistan? Please show me.


Actually McSame doesn't quite get it because 4 times in row he stated that Iran is training al-Qaeda operatives. Then, Joe Lieberman pulled him aside in the middle of his press conference and corrected him. Then McSame apologized and repeated what Lieberman told him. Chalk it up to senility or a sincere desire to go to war with Iran or trying to get people, like you, to think of al-Qaeda and Iran in the same thought?

Either way Marie, you seriously need to do some homework on the Iranian influence in the region. Hiding behind a gigantic China-made flag lapel pin, closing your eyes and covering your ears will not help.

Maybe Wordsmith can break this down for you in a more delicate way so that you may still maintain your desire for more war in the Middle East.

The Iranian leader appears to be a very evil man. I wouldn't say that the civilian population in Iran is evil because I don't think most of them support him.
That being said, one thing he's not doing is working with al-Qaeda.

April 23, 2008 5:44 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Marie,

I'm still waiting to hear McCain's "anti-terrorism" plan of action?

I'm sure it starts with, "Well my friends..."

"Anti-terrorism" ...I can't even type that without laughing. Basing victory on whether or not the world is free from terrorism is like waiting for the world to be free of drunk drivers...good luck.

April 23, 2008 9:24 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Wordsmith,

That blog is easily located off of google search.

She listed statistics, not empty theories about whether or not you can deny whether Iran has any influence in al-Qaeda. If you say that you can't deny it, then it must be true, right?

Sort of like the WMD question: how fun it must be to force people to prove a that non-existent connection doesn't exist.

That's so un-American.

April 23, 2008 9:28 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

Marie,

Newsmax? Aarrgghh...please. Enough of admittedly right-wing news sources. Why don't you just post a link to the National Enquirer?

I didn't say that Iran was not supplying Hamas or Hezbollah. They have in fact found weapons in Iraq that have come from Iran. You're right. But Iran is a bitter enemy of al-Qaeda, they certainly don't supply them with weapons and they don't train their terrorists.


Oh it's ok for you to post a link to an article from CNN? Why dont YOU just post some link from the Daily Kook's?

Iran is no more a bitter enemy of AQ than Syria is. Tehran Deploy's Bin Laden's Son To Syria Lot's of link's there.

Iran isnt training AQ?

Iranian Entanglements-Iran is helping Al Queda in Iraq, and why we need to invest TERROR FREE!

If you read this article it goes way beyond AQ in Iraq!

I think most clear thinking people know what is going on here. But of course even without it being from FoxNews or any other "Right Wing" Outfit, you will swear it's a right wing news source just because you dont want to hear the truth.


But...

If you are under the impression that ALL insurgents in Iraq are al-Qaeda, I could see where you're confused. Fox News often misrepresents the situation in Iraq. Most of the insurgents in Iraq, sadly, ARE NOT al-Qaeda.


But...

If you are under the impression that ALL insurgents in Iraq are al-Qaeda, I could see where you're confused. Fox News often misrepresents the situation in Iraq. Most of the insurgents in Iraq, sadly, ARE NOT al-Qaeda.


I never once said ALL Insurgents in Iraq are AQ, but that brings us to another point, Sadr has taken refuge in Iran as well. I dont know why you think I hang on Fox news all the time, I research all forms of information including MILITARY BLOGS which tell you what is really going on straight from the Soldiers mouth's. But then again you will just swear they are lying also.

I'm not going to explain the players in this. Perhaps Wordsmith could, since you read the black parts of his posts while you read the white parts of my posts.


Of course you arent LOL, because you cant!

A January airstrike on suspected al Qaeda figures on the Pakistan border provoked protests by tens of thousands of Pakistanis and complaints by Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, who said U.S. officials launched the attack without consulting his government.

That's already self explanatory LOL Oops! We lob one over there every damn day and Musharraf cant really do anything about it lol, however we cant look as if we are doing anything of the kind because the last thing we need is an overthrow of the Government of Pakistan who has NUKES! That's like handing AQ the button and saying have at it!

Actually McSame doesn't quite get it because 4 times in row he stated that Iran is training al-Qaeda operatives. Then, Joe Lieberman pulled him aside in the middle of his press conference and corrected him. Then McSame apologized and repeated what Lieberman told him. Chalk it up to senility or a sincere desire to go to war with Iran or trying to get people, like you, to think of al-Qaeda and Iran in the same thought?


Ah huh, well McCain was right the first time Dufuss! Read the articles.

Either way Marie, you seriously need to do some homework on the Iranian influence in the region. Hiding behind a gigantic China-made flag lapel pin, closing your eyes and covering your ears will not help.

Well once again it is YOU who needs to do his homework on IRAN! All this propaganda you are trying to feed me isnt going to work because this is one subject I know quite a bit about.

Maybe Wordsmith can break this down for you in a more delicate way so that you may still maintain your desire for more war in the Middle East.

LOL! I pretty much gaurantee you Wordsmith knows all the answers I am posting right now to some of the most rediculous statements I have ever read.

The Iranian leader appears to be a very evil man. I wouldn't say that the civilian population in Iran is evil because I don't think most of them support him.
That being said, one thing he's not doing is working with al-Qaeda.


Oh god you are so misguided I dont know what on earth to think about you.

READ, READ, READ!!!!

April 24, 2008 7:00 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

Here's more, but then again I guess you dont believe the 9-11 commission either LOL.

Iran's Link to Al-Qaeda: The 9-11 Commission's Evidence

April 24, 2008 7:12 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Still no research on Pastor Hagee?

Helps if you look...

April 25, 2008 6:04 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

Oh no you dont get to change the subject this time.

Read the information provided to you about what we were discussing about Iran training Terrorists including AQ!

I want an answer!

April 25, 2008 6:52 PM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Well, according to your logic the United States aided the 9/11 terrorist attack as well, since several of the hijackers attended flight schools here in the U.S.

Oh...I see. If individuals in Iran assist a terrorist then it's the Iranian government and the country of Iran giving full, unconditional support to al-Qaeda terrorists.

If it happens in the U.S. different rules apply.

That's okay Marie, as long as I know the rules.

The Bush Crime Family said that Iraq was tied to al-Qaeda and then we get this gem below...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/29959.html

Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida

By Warren P. Strobel
| McClatchy Newspapers

Posted on Monday, March 10, 2008

WASHINGTON — An exhaustive review of more than 600,000 Iraqi documents that were captured after the 2003 U.S. invasion has found no evidence that Saddam Hussein's regime had any operational links with Osama bin Laden's al Qaida terrorist network.

The Pentagon-sponsored study, scheduled for release later this week, did confirm that Saddam's regime provided some support to other terrorist groups, particularly in the Middle East, U.S. officials told McClatchy. However, his security services were directed primarily against Iraqi exiles, Shiite Muslims, Kurds and others he considered enemies of his regime.

The new study of the Iraqi regime's archives found no documents indicating a "direct operational link" between Hussein's Iraq and al Qaida before the invasion, according to a U.S. official familiar with the report.

He and others spoke to McClatchy on condition of anonymity because the study isn't due to be shared with Congress and released before Wednesday.

President Bush and his aides used Saddam's alleged relationship with al Qaida, along with Iraq's supposed weapons of mass destruction, as arguments for invading Iraq after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Then-Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld claimed in September 2002 that the United States had "bulletproof" evidence of cooperation between the radical Islamist terror group and Saddam's secular dictatorship.


To paint the picture that Iran and al-Qaeda are actively working together will be surely be the goal before the dictator leaves office. The 9-11 Report as well as the link you provided fail to provide concrete evidence that the Iranian government was involved in actively participating in and maintaining a relationship with al-Qaeda. But I'm sure that there will be something conveniently created to be able to bypass any and all international laws and attack Iran.

That will sure get the right-wing nut jobs excited again. They haven't had their fix since Shock, Awe and Yee Haw.

When do I get to read one of your posts on the hate-speech reverend who fully endorsed John McCain and McCain was honored by it?

Probably not coming any time soon, is it Marie? No explanation needed...Hagee is white so he's a patriot!

And McCain is still not wearing his Chinese-made flag lapel pin. I'm beginning to doubt his patriotism.

April 25, 2008 10:37 PM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

The Bush Crime Family said that Iraq was tied to al-Qaeda and then we get this gem below...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/29959.html

Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida

By Warren P. Strobel
| McClatchy Newspapers


federalist,

We've been through this. The McClatchy reporter who was leaked info on the recent Pentagon report didn't even bother to READ the REPORT. I read the executive summary, and that alone contradicts the nature of the article. It is misleading. Scott went through and read the entire 1600 pages of the study, when it got released about a week later. I'd link you to the Flopping Aces posts that are relevant to this, but you'd probably just dismiss Scott's posts as ignorant because despite the fact that he spends all of his time pouring through intell reports, you're going to put more stock into some journalist who never even bothered to read the actual report before writing on it.

Btw,

Please point me to where President Bush or VP Cheney ever said there were operational ties between Saddam and al-Qaeda as justification for war.

April 26, 2008 9:55 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed

By Walter Pincus and Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, June 17, 2004; Page A01

The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.


Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network; earlier this year, Cheney said evidence of a link was "overwhelming."

But the report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation. In yesterday's hearing of the panel, formally known as the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, a senior FBI official and a senior CIA analyst concurred with the finding.

The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States."

The finding challenges a belief held by large numbers of Americans about al Qaeda's ties to Hussein. According to a Harris poll in late April, a plurality of Americans, 49 percent to 36 percent, believe "clear evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda has been found."

As recently as Monday, Cheney said in a speech that Hussein "had long-established ties with al Qaeda." Bush, asked on Tuesday to verify or qualify that claim, defended it by pointing to Abu Musab Zarqawi, who has taken credit for a wave of attacks in Iraq.



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

April 26, 2008 11:07 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Wordsmith,

I've been through a lot of what your friend has written. No doubt it's interesting and my hat is off to him (and to you) for you are both two truth-seekers; rarely is that the case with most conservatives in post 9/11.

The problem I continually face is rather simple: forcing someone to prove that they are not complicit does not constitute guilt. I understand that there is enormous evidence that indicates that there MAY be a link, connection or operational ties but there is still no "smoking gun", no documented meetings, no receipt of money transaction, etc.

Can I conceive that there is/was a tie? Yes. That's easy. But come on Wordsmith, this is real life, not a game of Clue. We're dealing with civilian life here, innocent people who are killed by our bombs for nothing more than the misfortune of having been born in that country.

We're America, remember, not some rogue nation that fires first and ask questions and investigates later. We should be held to higher standards because WE ARE AMERICA.

But you and I can go back and forth for months on this and it won't change anything. This regime has made its mind up that it will make war with Iran and it will get it one way or another.

It's all there in PNAC and William Kristol. We are becoming what we learned in history classes. Eventually, in movies that have an antagonist, the German accent will be replaced by a Texan one.

April 26, 2008 11:16 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

federalist,

The Hitler/Nazi comparison is offensive. President Bush will be out of office in a few months. We're nowhere close to living under a Nazi-like regime.



The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.

What I was looking for, from you, are direct quotes by President Bush and VP Cheney.

I've poured through Meet the Press interviews, because those are often cited by the critics. But what I've found are halfquotes and misremembrances, and half-truths in what Cheney actually said on that program. He was very cautious about overstating the links, more often than not; no matter how often Tim Russert would keep coming back to grilling him for that "gotcha" soundbyte, asking the same question over again, after he's already received the answer (but not the one he's looking for).

Walter Pincus, Dana Priest...these are just a couple of the Washington Post journalists whose articles I've had issues with over the years.
Sam Tanenhaus, a top Pentagon official, said this on MSNBC:
the reason Saddam’s role in 9/11 never became the centerpiece of the Bush administration’s rationale for war was because there was no consensus on the issue.




We're dealing with civilian life here, innocent people who are killed by our bombs for nothing more than the misfortune of having been born in that country.

Thanks for tugging on my heartstrings. If you care about those civilian lives TODAY- not pre-Iraq invasion, then you should realize that the innocent civilians have been losing their lives to insurgents, foreign fighters, and Islamic holy warriors- including al-Qaeda in Iraq.

And if we hadn't invaded, removing a brutal dictator responsible for the slaughter of his own people, then we're still blamed for the deaths caused by sanctions, rather than the responsiblity falling squarely on Saddam's shoulders for not complying with cease-fire agreements and UN Resolutions. Saddam whose people suffered while he built palaces for himself in each city and filled his coffers with UN Food-for-Oil money.


Part of the problem with the whole "smoking gun" issue, is that we have narrowly defined the enemy as al Qaeda, rather than "al Qaeda network" or Islamic jihadists. Some of the barriers that separate one terror group from the next dissolve, become indistinguishable, have cross-over affiliations and collaborations, with shared funding and training as well as common goals. 2/3rds of the al Qaeda leadership belonged to Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was Zawahiri's organization. And the recent Pentagon-funded study that examined captured documents show that despite the claims of CIA analysts who failed us in so many things related to intell, secular Saddam indeed was not unwilling to work with religious Islamic militant terrorists, for short-term goals and shared aims.

“Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there. It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.”
-President Bush in an address to a Joint Session of Congress and the American People, United States Capitol, Washington D.C., September 20, 2001.

April 26, 2008 6:01 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

The Federalist said...
Well, according to your logic the United States aided the 9/11 terrorist attack as well, since several of the hijackers attended flight schools here in the U.S.


You didnt even read the links I provided did you?

It figures, unless they are what YOU want to read to hell with it!

We aided the terrorists? I have never heard such a blanket acusation against this Country before this. Truly this is left wing blather, downright falsehoods, and lies.

We may have aided the terrorists unwittingly, but we werent on red alert before 9-11, I truly doubt that will happen again unless your party takes away all the protections we have in place now to track down these bastards BEFORE THEY STRIKE!


Oh...I see. If individuals in Iran assist a terrorist then it's the Iranian government and the country of Iran giving full, unconditional support to al-Qaeda terrorists.

If it happens in the U.S. different rules apply.

That's okay Marie, as long as I know the rules.

The Bush Crime Family said that Iraq was tied to al-Qaeda and then we get this gem below...

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/29959.html

Exhaustive review finds no link between Saddam and al Qaida


YOU DIPSHIT!!! There are NO training camps for AQ in the United States and your whole theory is practically Null!

The point we were supposed to be exploring was: Is Iran Training terrorists, I provided proof and naturally you dont believe it because you dont want to read anything contrary to your beliefs which makes you a fake, a liar, and a deniest!

You pick and choose what links you want to read and that's it with you. Why should I be surprised? You pick and choose whatever suits your purpose, you post on that, Ignoring the facts and think I am going to be done with it!
No Way Jose!!

You cant even answer the questions I posed to you in the above post.

Talk about derranged!



To paint the picture that Iran and al-Qaeda are actively working together will be surely be the goal before the dictator leaves office. The 9-11 Report as well as the link you provided fail to provide concrete evidence that the Iranian government was involved in actively participating in and maintaining a relationship with al-Qaeda. But I'm sure that there will be something conveniently created to be able to bypass any and all international laws and attack Iran.


Well gee, I suppose those weapons that explode and kill our Troops, are made to look like they are Iranian made and fooling the world. Pfft! Get a friggen grip.

That will sure get the right-wing nut jobs excited again. They haven't had their fix since Shock, Awe and Yee Haw.

When do I get to read one of your posts on the hate-speech reverend who fully endorsed John McCain and McCain was honored by it?

Probably not coming any time soon, is it Marie? No explanation needed...Hagee is white so he's a patriot!

And McCain is still not wearing his Chinese-made flag lapel pin. I'm beginning to doubt his patriotism.


Hagee whoever he is is NOT involved in the answer to the questions I posted above.

We were talking about Iranians harboring and training terrorists like they have in the past.

Of course however you wont read mine nor Wordsmith's link's and therefore you will remain in denial for god knows how long because you only agree with the crap you read.

It's almost useless to try to explain all this to you because you are ignorant and devoid of any actual facts either Wordsmith or I post!

It must be comfy in denial, however in the back of your mind you know Wordsmith and I are right.

Denial doesnt suit you well, it makes you look like a lunatic!

April 27, 2008 2:52 AM  
Blogger The Federalist said...

Marie,

What's funny is that no matter what I write your responses always claim that I am not addressing your points. I have and will continue to do so.

Here it is again. I did read your link and the link Wordsmith has provided and I responded.

"Well, according to your logic the United States aided the 9/11 terrorist attack as well, since several of the hijackers attended flight schools here in the U.S. (because someone or some group may be aiding a terrorist cell does not mean that the entire country of Iran is supporting the training or arming of terrorists)

Oh...I see. If individuals in Iran assist a terrorist then it's the Iranian government and the country of Iran giving full, unconditional support to al-Qaeda terrorists.

If it happens in the U.S. different rules apply. (it's called, "unwittingly")

That's okay Marie, as long as I know the rules."

In your link there is no concrete proof that the Iranian government is directly involved. I've stated repeatedly that the evidence does SEEM to point to that conclusion. But with war, at least in my opinion, it should be 100% certain before you start dropping cluster bombs on innocent civilians.

Now, at some point there probably will be some manufactured information that will attempt to prove there is a connection, in order to make war, and I fully anticipate that. At this point, as I've stated, the Bush regime wants war with Iran and it will do everything in its power to do so prior to exiting (if it does in fact leave...we'll see on 1.20.09)
There's nothing anyone can do to prevent that. We saw that with Iraq.

I've read all links you've listed, truly. I guess when you read things like,"there is evidence that indicates there may be a connection..." you interpret it as conclusive. That's your interpretation and although I think it's very ambitious and presumptive, that seems to be the nature of the right-wing anyway. Shoot first, ask questions later. You're entitled to that.

As far as the weapons are concerned I've never denied that they are coming from Iran. I don't believe much of what comes out of Dana Perino's mouth ("We're in Iraq because we were graciously invited by the sovereign nation of Iraq" = insane comment!).

As I've said Marie, the Bush Crime Family wants war with Iran. Any information that is provided really needs to have the highest level of certainty and not the usual, "we have intelligence that indicates that _______ traveled to Iran and met with __________ so based on that, we want to invade."

Be patient Marie, you'll get your war and then you can post pictures of the bombs exploding and with any luck, you'll get some clips of dismembered civilians.

Yee-haw for more shock and awe!

April 27, 2008 7:55 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Fed,

Marie,

What's funny is that no matter what I write your responses always claim that I am not addressing your points. I have and will continue to do so.


Gee, maybe it's because you DONT!!

"Well, according to your logic the United States aided the 9/11 terrorist attack as well, since several of the hijackers attended flight schools here in the U.S. (because someone or some group may be aiding a terrorist cell does not mean that the entire country of Iran is supporting the training or arming of terrorists)

Unwittingly! I said Unwittingly!

I never said the entire Country of Iran support's terrorists!


Oh...I see. If individuals in Iran assist a terrorist then it's the Iranian government and the country of Iran giving full, unconditional support to al-Qaeda terrorists.

If it happens in the U.S. different rules apply. (it's called, "unwittingly")

That's okay Marie, as long as I know the rules."


I'm not sure you are following along at all here.

And just whom do you think held our hostages back in 78/79 for 444 days? THE GOVERNMENT of Iran!!


In your link there is no concrete proof that the Iranian government is directly involved. I've stated repeatedly that the evidence does SEEM to point to that conclusion. But with war, at least in my opinion, it should be 100% certain before you start dropping cluster bombs on innocent civilians.

Oh sweet Jesus how naive can you be?

I never said a word about dropping cluster bombs on innocent civilians!


Now, at some point there probably will be some manufactured information that will attempt to prove there is a connection, in order to make war, and I fully anticipate that. At this point, as I've stated, the Bush regime wants war with Iran and it will do everything in its power to do so prior to exiting (if it does in fact leave...we'll see on 1.20.09)
There's nothing anyone can do to prevent that. We saw that with Iraq.


See that's what I'm talking about, no matter what evidence is presented, in your eyes it will ALL be "manufactured".

And in Iraq everybody else including the UN saw what we were seeing, but I guess everybody was wrong, no matter how many countries presented evidence to the contrary!


I've read all links you've listed, truly. I guess when you read things like,"there is evidence that indicates there may be a connection..." you interpret it as conclusive. That's your interpretation and although I think it's very ambitious and presumptive, that seems to be the nature of the right-wing anyway. Shoot first, ask questions later. You're entitled to that.

LOL, it's right there in the 9-11 commision report. I think you may be reading the links, but you arent buying them no matter what they say! Shoot first and ask questions later, sometimes you are funny.

As far as the weapons are concerned I've never denied that they are coming from Iran. I don't believe much of what comes out of Dana Perino's mouth ("We're in Iraq because we were graciously invited by the sovereign nation of Iraq" = insane comment!).

I believe she means NOW! We have been asked to STAY in Iraq by the Iraqi Government that is true.

Are you suggesting the Free Republic of Iraq is not Sovereign?


As I've said Marie, the Bush Crime Family wants war with Iran. Any information that is provided really needs to have the highest level of certainty and not the usual, "we have intelligence that indicates that _______ traveled to Iran and met with __________ so based on that, we want to invade."

See there you go again. "The Bush crime family", why must you insult our President in that manner?

They dont want war, we just dont want to be nuked! There is a difference.

Who said anything about invading? We just need to take out thier Nuclear capabilities IF we know beyond a show of a doubt that they have the bomb. Which they have stated themselves that they WANT.


Be patient Marie, you'll get your war and then you can post pictures of the bombs exploding and with any luck, you'll get some clips of dismembered civilians.

Yee-haw for more shock and awe!


You really are sick ya know that? I dont want war, if that's the way you have portrayed me all the months you have been hanging around here then you have me all wrong.

I never said a word about invading, going to war with, nor occupying Iran.

I would love to see us take out thier nukes.

If you had your way, we would be sitting in front of our TV's one day and told to take cover Iran has lobed a nuke at us, and then you will be saying "Oops Marie was right"!

To them we are the Great Satan, and must be destroyed that is after they take out the little Satan (Israel). Do you not hear what they say?

Or do you think they are just jabberjawing?

April 28, 2008 3:44 AM  

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