Murtha Get's The Boot
Hoyer Wins House Majority Leader Race, Giving Pelosi First Setback
WASHINGTON — Rep. Steny Hoyer emerged victorious Thursday after a bruising battle to win the No. 2 House leadership post in the 110th Congress.
Hoyer handily defeated Rep. John Murtha, who had the backing of House Speaker-nominee Nancy Pelosi to be her chief deputy when Democrats take back the House in January.
"My pledge to my caucus and my pledge to my country is: I will work as hard as I can, exercise as much talent as I have to make sure that the agenda that has been put before the American people by Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party, an agenda of change ... will take this country in a new direction," Hoyer said.
Hoyer's success is a setback for Pelosi, who had faced her first leadership challenge by tossing aside her current deputy, with whom she had a chilly relationship, in favor of her longtime ally. Pelosi had been nominated earlier in the day to be the Democratic nominee for House speaker, the first woman to become second in line in succession for the presidency.
In introducing the new leadership team, Pelosi congratulated Hoyer, but said before he speaks, she wanted to "acknowledge the magnificent contribution of Mr. Murtha to this debate on the war in Iraq."
"I thank him for his courage in stepping forward one year ago to speak truth to power. He changed the debate in this country in a way that I think gave us this majority in this November," Pelosi said of Murtha. "I was proud to support him for majority leader, because I thought that would be the best way to bring an end to the war in Iraq. I know that he will continue to take the lead on that issue for our caucus, for this Congress, for our country."
But Pelosi and Hoyer also made nice. Pelosi said she extends "great congratulations to Hoyer."
"I look forward to working with him in a unified way," Pelosi said. "We've had our debates; we've had our disagreements in that room. And now, that is over. As I said to my colleagues, as we say in church, let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with us. Let the healing begin. I am just delighted that we have a Democratic speaker and a Democratic majority."
For his part, Hoyer called Pelosi "a person of deep values, keen intellect and extraordinary political abilities."
"Nancy and I have worked together for four years, closely and effectively. And we have created the most unified caucus in the last half-century. Nancy and I, I think, have been a good team," he said.
Hoyer defeated Murtha 149-86. His success was aided by his record of campaigning in 82 districts this past election season, winning support ahead of time from both moderate and liberal members of the party and earning the backing of more than half of the 29 new Democratic House members.
Murtha had been pummeled in the news ahead of the Democratic caucus vote, but at his last "campaign breakfast" Thursday appeared pumped. Supporters wore campaign buttons into the party election room.
Unlike the other leadership races this week, the loser was asked to speak. Murtha said people asked why he didn't win, and the reason was "I didn't have enough votes."
But Murtha said he felt he had done a lot to change the direction of the debate on the Iraq war and would continue to do so from his position as chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.
"I talk to the military leaders all the time. The military leaders know there's a limitation to military power. They know that it's time for us to redeploy," he said.
The contested vote for the majority leader occurred after each of the candidates was allotted 15 minutes to make their case or have supporters make speeches on their behalf.
Each of the candidates had been nominated by four colleagues. Murtha had been nominated by Pelosi, Reps. Loretta Sanchez of California, Kendrick Meek of Florida and Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, a 2004 presidential hopeful.
Nominations for Hoyer came from Reps. Henry Waxman of California, Elijah Cummings of Maryland, Dennis Cardoza of California, who also helped nominate Pelosi, and Representative-elect Brad Ellsworth of Indiana.
During the party vote, Rep. Rahm Emanuel, credited with engineering the Democratic takeover, became the caucus chairman. Rep. John Larson of Connecticut was re-elected vice-chairman while Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina went unopposed to become majority whip, the No. 3 spot in the Democratic line-up.
Speaking to the caucus after winning the nomination by acclamation, Speaker-to-be Pelosi vowed to keep the party clean. (HAHAHAHA!)
"We made history and now we will make progress for the American people," she said. "We will not be dazzled by money and special interests."
Pelosi also called for unity in the party, but within moments she put her prestige on the line by nominating Murtha for majority leader.
Pelosi had publicly backed Murtha, a longtime friend whose recorded session with undercover FBI agents, alleged record of earmarking pet projects while vice-chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee and comments on recent ethics reform proposals had raised questions among some about his fitness to lead and Pelosi's judgment in supporting him.
Pelosi's public endorsement was thought to have had the effect of stripping some support from Hoyer, who has had a cool relationship with Pelosi while the two have served in the Democratic leadership together.
Asked about her decision to support Murtha, Pelosi later told reporters that she did not think her endorsement had marred her ability to lead the caucus or its ongoing unity.
"I am completely jubilant today to be nominated by acclamation by my party. I have to be who I am and I am a person who is committed to ending this war. It has been a grotesque mistake. ... and I promise I will do everything possible to end it," she said. "The caucus thought differently."
Hoyer added that while he and Pelosi may have had differences sometimes, "our caucus is unified today. Now, I intend to do everything in my power ... to make Nancy Pelosi the most successful speaker" in U.S. history. (HAHAHA!)
The chilly cooperation between Hoyer and Pelosi dates back to when the two ran against each other for the minority whip post in 2001. Murtha steered the winning campaign for Pelosi. In return, she showed her allegiance, and with allies like California Rep. George Miller reportedly working behind the scenes for Murtha, especially during one-on-one meetings with Democratic freshman who must rely on Pelosi for committee assignments.
Just before the vote, a Democratic source responded to allegations that Murtha did not have the votes to win or that he would bow out. The source said those rumors are "absolutely false, a surreptitious attempt by Hoyer's team to weaken the support for Murtha."
While the pledges of party unity are made for public consumption, a Hoyer victory could be seen as a defeat for Pelosi in her first major move since Election Day. The race roiled a Democratic caucus that needs maximum cooperation in order to rule the fractious House effectively come January.
Many Democrats also expressed dismay that the family feud had broken out in the first place and objected to heavy pressure placed on longstanding Hoyer supporters.
Murtha is not going into the night by any means. He is expected to remain on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, which he will chair. That gives him a lot of authority to determine the Pentagon's budget and force the decision-making hands at the Department of Defense. (Heaven Help Us)
Hoyer, 67, a 25-year veteran in Congress, also had public backing from nine veteran lawmakers who are in line to become committee chairmen. Pelosi is in charge of designating committee assignments.
While Democrats voted on their leadership, House Republicans, finding themselves in the minority for the first time since 1994, demonstrated that they too are seeking unity ahead of their leadership elections on Friday.
Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois is leaving the leadership ranks. The race to become the House's top Republican came down to two on Wednesday — current Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio and Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana. Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Joe Barton of Texas dropped out late Wednesday and endorsed Boehner.
"This race was and is a contest among allies and it will remain so. If we're going to get our majority back in two years, we're all going to need each other," Boehner said acknowledging Barton's support.
The Republicans met behind closed doors on Thursday to make their cases. The second-in-command job for the GOP is also being contested. Majority Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri faces Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona.
Story Here
Dems Dump Murtha
Pelosi's First Defeat
Murtha's Earmark's And Lobbyist Brother "Kit" Murtha
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Ok let's tally this up so far. Nancy Pelosi, has won Speaker of the House but we all knew that was comming, I mean there wasnt a news agency out there that didnt hype that up big. And Nancy supported and endorsed John Murtha who was involved in the ABSCAM sting, gave up information of others involved so he wouldnt have any charges filed against him, and to his credit he didnt take the bribe money of 50,000 at the time, yet said he might in the future. (And who know's if he did since?) And Whose Brother "Kit" Murtha was once a big time lobbyist who got hundreds of Earmark's Passed through Murtha !@#$#@! Questionable Ethic's there. Oh yeah and bashes our Troops at any given moment. Murtha would have been the big #2 in the House, House Majority Leader. But Steny Hoyer beat Murtha out of that position. Hoyer is more "Moderate".
Now we have a new battle for House Select Committee On Intelligence. Nancy's Pick? Alcee Hastings. Alcee Hastings was Censured, Impeached, and removed from office in 1989 for Ethics violations included Bribery, Lying, Fabrication Of Evidence, Tax Evasion, and various other charges. And once again joins the House in 1993. This guy has NO Ethic's Period!
And we arent even into 100 Hours of them being sworn in yet!
And Nancy Pelosi PROMISED to have an ETHIC VIOLATION FREE CONGRESS? AND THESE ARE HER PICKS? Is Nancy Pelosi Insane???? This is starting to turn into the "CONGRESS OF CORRUPTION"!
WASHINGTON — Rep. Steny Hoyer emerged victorious Thursday after a bruising battle to win the No. 2 House leadership post in the 110th Congress.
Hoyer handily defeated Rep. John Murtha, who had the backing of House Speaker-nominee Nancy Pelosi to be her chief deputy when Democrats take back the House in January.
"My pledge to my caucus and my pledge to my country is: I will work as hard as I can, exercise as much talent as I have to make sure that the agenda that has been put before the American people by Nancy Pelosi and the Democratic Party, an agenda of change ... will take this country in a new direction," Hoyer said.
Hoyer's success is a setback for Pelosi, who had faced her first leadership challenge by tossing aside her current deputy, with whom she had a chilly relationship, in favor of her longtime ally. Pelosi had been nominated earlier in the day to be the Democratic nominee for House speaker, the first woman to become second in line in succession for the presidency.
In introducing the new leadership team, Pelosi congratulated Hoyer, but said before he speaks, she wanted to "acknowledge the magnificent contribution of Mr. Murtha to this debate on the war in Iraq."
"I thank him for his courage in stepping forward one year ago to speak truth to power. He changed the debate in this country in a way that I think gave us this majority in this November," Pelosi said of Murtha. "I was proud to support him for majority leader, because I thought that would be the best way to bring an end to the war in Iraq. I know that he will continue to take the lead on that issue for our caucus, for this Congress, for our country."
But Pelosi and Hoyer also made nice. Pelosi said she extends "great congratulations to Hoyer."
"I look forward to working with him in a unified way," Pelosi said. "We've had our debates; we've had our disagreements in that room. And now, that is over. As I said to my colleagues, as we say in church, let there be peace on Earth and let it begin with us. Let the healing begin. I am just delighted that we have a Democratic speaker and a Democratic majority."
For his part, Hoyer called Pelosi "a person of deep values, keen intellect and extraordinary political abilities."
"Nancy and I have worked together for four years, closely and effectively. And we have created the most unified caucus in the last half-century. Nancy and I, I think, have been a good team," he said.
Hoyer defeated Murtha 149-86. His success was aided by his record of campaigning in 82 districts this past election season, winning support ahead of time from both moderate and liberal members of the party and earning the backing of more than half of the 29 new Democratic House members.
Murtha had been pummeled in the news ahead of the Democratic caucus vote, but at his last "campaign breakfast" Thursday appeared pumped. Supporters wore campaign buttons into the party election room.
Unlike the other leadership races this week, the loser was asked to speak. Murtha said people asked why he didn't win, and the reason was "I didn't have enough votes."
But Murtha said he felt he had done a lot to change the direction of the debate on the Iraq war and would continue to do so from his position as chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.
"I talk to the military leaders all the time. The military leaders know there's a limitation to military power. They know that it's time for us to redeploy," he said.
The contested vote for the majority leader occurred after each of the candidates was allotted 15 minutes to make their case or have supporters make speeches on their behalf.
Each of the candidates had been nominated by four colleagues. Murtha had been nominated by Pelosi, Reps. Loretta Sanchez of California, Kendrick Meek of Florida and Dennis Kucinich of Ohio, a 2004 presidential hopeful.
Nominations for Hoyer came from Reps. Henry Waxman of California, Elijah Cummings of Maryland, Dennis Cardoza of California, who also helped nominate Pelosi, and Representative-elect Brad Ellsworth of Indiana.
During the party vote, Rep. Rahm Emanuel, credited with engineering the Democratic takeover, became the caucus chairman. Rep. John Larson of Connecticut was re-elected vice-chairman while Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina went unopposed to become majority whip, the No. 3 spot in the Democratic line-up.
Speaking to the caucus after winning the nomination by acclamation, Speaker-to-be Pelosi vowed to keep the party clean. (HAHAHAHA!)
"We made history and now we will make progress for the American people," she said. "We will not be dazzled by money and special interests."
Pelosi also called for unity in the party, but within moments she put her prestige on the line by nominating Murtha for majority leader.
Pelosi had publicly backed Murtha, a longtime friend whose recorded session with undercover FBI agents, alleged record of earmarking pet projects while vice-chairman of the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee and comments on recent ethics reform proposals had raised questions among some about his fitness to lead and Pelosi's judgment in supporting him.
Pelosi's public endorsement was thought to have had the effect of stripping some support from Hoyer, who has had a cool relationship with Pelosi while the two have served in the Democratic leadership together.
Asked about her decision to support Murtha, Pelosi later told reporters that she did not think her endorsement had marred her ability to lead the caucus or its ongoing unity.
"I am completely jubilant today to be nominated by acclamation by my party. I have to be who I am and I am a person who is committed to ending this war. It has been a grotesque mistake. ... and I promise I will do everything possible to end it," she said. "The caucus thought differently."
Hoyer added that while he and Pelosi may have had differences sometimes, "our caucus is unified today. Now, I intend to do everything in my power ... to make Nancy Pelosi the most successful speaker" in U.S. history. (HAHAHA!)
The chilly cooperation between Hoyer and Pelosi dates back to when the two ran against each other for the minority whip post in 2001. Murtha steered the winning campaign for Pelosi. In return, she showed her allegiance, and with allies like California Rep. George Miller reportedly working behind the scenes for Murtha, especially during one-on-one meetings with Democratic freshman who must rely on Pelosi for committee assignments.
Just before the vote, a Democratic source responded to allegations that Murtha did not have the votes to win or that he would bow out. The source said those rumors are "absolutely false, a surreptitious attempt by Hoyer's team to weaken the support for Murtha."
While the pledges of party unity are made for public consumption, a Hoyer victory could be seen as a defeat for Pelosi in her first major move since Election Day. The race roiled a Democratic caucus that needs maximum cooperation in order to rule the fractious House effectively come January.
Many Democrats also expressed dismay that the family feud had broken out in the first place and objected to heavy pressure placed on longstanding Hoyer supporters.
Murtha is not going into the night by any means. He is expected to remain on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, which he will chair. That gives him a lot of authority to determine the Pentagon's budget and force the decision-making hands at the Department of Defense. (Heaven Help Us)
Hoyer, 67, a 25-year veteran in Congress, also had public backing from nine veteran lawmakers who are in line to become committee chairmen. Pelosi is in charge of designating committee assignments.
While Democrats voted on their leadership, House Republicans, finding themselves in the minority for the first time since 1994, demonstrated that they too are seeking unity ahead of their leadership elections on Friday.
Speaker Dennis Hastert of Illinois is leaving the leadership ranks. The race to become the House's top Republican came down to two on Wednesday — current Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio and Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana. Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Joe Barton of Texas dropped out late Wednesday and endorsed Boehner.
"This race was and is a contest among allies and it will remain so. If we're going to get our majority back in two years, we're all going to need each other," Boehner said acknowledging Barton's support.
The Republicans met behind closed doors on Thursday to make their cases. The second-in-command job for the GOP is also being contested. Majority Whip Roy Blunt of Missouri faces Rep. John Shadegg of Arizona.
Story Here
Dems Dump Murtha
Pelosi's First Defeat
Murtha's Earmark's And Lobbyist Brother "Kit" Murtha
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Ok let's tally this up so far. Nancy Pelosi, has won Speaker of the House but we all knew that was comming, I mean there wasnt a news agency out there that didnt hype that up big. And Nancy supported and endorsed John Murtha who was involved in the ABSCAM sting, gave up information of others involved so he wouldnt have any charges filed against him, and to his credit he didnt take the bribe money of 50,000 at the time, yet said he might in the future. (And who know's if he did since?) And Whose Brother "Kit" Murtha was once a big time lobbyist who got hundreds of Earmark's Passed through Murtha !@#$#@! Questionable Ethic's there. Oh yeah and bashes our Troops at any given moment. Murtha would have been the big #2 in the House, House Majority Leader. But Steny Hoyer beat Murtha out of that position. Hoyer is more "Moderate".
Now we have a new battle for House Select Committee On Intelligence. Nancy's Pick? Alcee Hastings. Alcee Hastings was Censured, Impeached, and removed from office in 1989 for Ethics violations included Bribery, Lying, Fabrication Of Evidence, Tax Evasion, and various other charges. And once again joins the House in 1993. This guy has NO Ethic's Period!
And we arent even into 100 Hours of them being sworn in yet!
And Nancy Pelosi PROMISED to have an ETHIC VIOLATION FREE CONGRESS? AND THESE ARE HER PICKS? Is Nancy Pelosi Insane???? This is starting to turn into the "CONGRESS OF CORRUPTION"!
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 10:01 PM
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I like the coining of a new phrase, "Congress of Corruption." May her words come back to bite in the you know where! Murtha will still be a mouth piece against our military even without Majority Leader. Did you hear Pelosi's first public statement after the vote? She praised Murtha and it was, "oh by the way Hoyer won." She sounded like a child who had just had their hand slapped and angry because they didn't get their way so I'll take my toys and go home. What a leader!!!
Murtha was exonerated. It's corrupt to swiftboat him.
Anyway, don't fear, you'll still have Murtha to kick around. He's not going anywhere.
How 'bout that Lott? Talk about going "forward!" Why don't you guys clean your own house before you worry about somebody else's? Why is it that so few rightwing sites are talking about Lott?
If nothing else watching the democrats self destruct will be amusing. They have have more divisions than the former Soviet Red Army. Sorry if you dumb liberals don't get that but for your benefit;
The Soviet Red Army used to be broken down into many more divisions than was practical to be efficient because they didn't want any part of the Army becoming too strong so as to be able to overthrow the dictatorship. They broke divisions down so the political officers could keep control of the Army.
I firmly believe that a majority of today's democrat party think that a Soviet style communist government is better than our Constituional Representative Republic.
Nancy Pelosi is a sad commentary of what our political system has become. The women and men of America would have been better represented if the first woman speaker was Melissa Hart of Pennsylvania but the main stream liberal press made sure this pro-life conservative was defeated at the polls. Melissa Hart speaks with a voice thatis far more representative of the American people than that of the very liberal and very wrong Nancy Pelosi.
We'll let this run it's short course and put people with real American values back into the leadership roles very quickly. We had to clean our own house because the powers of money, power and respect overcame conservative American values so cleaning our own house was overdue.
TLLTCT,
I like the coining of a new phrase, "Congress of Corruption." May her words come back to bite in the you know where! Murtha will still be a mouth piece against our military even without Majority Leader. Did you hear Pelosi's first public statement after the vote? She praised Murtha and it was, "oh by the way Hoyer won." She sounded like a child who had just had their hand slapped and angry because they didn't get their way so I'll take my toys and go home. What a leader!!!
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Its true! This is turning into the Congress of Corruption very fast. Look at Nancy's Picks? I could have done better with the Democrat party than she has so far and I cant stand most of them!!
If Murtha still intends to kick around our Military then he will get the slap down too! If there is one thing that will drive right over the edge it's a "Blame America First" Moron or a Traitor!
I have a feeling Pelosi is going to be scolded like a child her entire time up there by the more "Moderates" in her own party. A little "Hand Slapping" is what she may need from time to time!
Just keeping them honest is going to be quite a task indeed.
Mudcat,
Murtha was exonerated. It's corrupt to swiftboat him.
Anyway, don't fear, you'll still have Murtha to kick around. He's not going anywhere.
How 'bout that Lott? Talk about going "forward!" Why don't you guys clean your own house before you worry about somebody else's? Why is it that so few rightwing sites are talking about Lott?
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Oh please, even the Veterans and those serving NOW kick Murtha around for demonizing our troops.
And unless Murtha and Kerry ever shut the f*** up they will continue to be slapped around like the little traitors they are!
Clean our house? You guy's need a SHOPVAC size Vacume to clean YOURS!! Oh please, even the Veterans and those serving NOW kick Murtha around for demonizing our troops.
And unless Murtha and Kerry ever shut the f*** up they will continue to be slapped around like the little traitors they are!
Clean our house? You guy's need a SHOPVAC size Vacume to clean YOURS!!
JG,
I was thinking this Implosion on the left was going to be amusing, but after looking at Nancy's picks? This is getting down right Scary!!
Why does the Left hate the Constitution?
Marie asks...Why does the Left hate the Constitution?
As far as I can tell Marie, the left hates the Constitution because it is specifically spells out the powers and responsibilities of the government, it designates who does what for what reason. It also specifically details in the Bill of Rights the limits of the government in interfering with lives of the people. The left does not like that because they think they should be able to control your life from cradle to grave through an overreaching and all powerful central government.
They left has made all this noise hootin and hollerin about NSA wiretapping and freedom of speech but they mean none of it. The left is pissed off because they aren't the ones controlling who is being monitored.
The left would rather wiretap law abiding gunowners, pro-life groups and real civil libertarians because they hate freedom they hate anyone that disagrees with them.They don't believe that muslim extremists are a problem and I watched some supposed PH.D college professor say it on O'Reilly the night before last. I thought the guy is more than a moron and PH.D in his title meant "Pretty Hokey Degree" The real travesty about that is this man poisons the minds of the youth of America with his stupidity and wrongheadedness?
Think I'm wrong about the hate the left has for anyone that promotes anything but what they believe. Do this; go to "huff po" and tell them you're you are a Christian, you would think you were going to make them stop wetting their beds and they'll lose their minds trying to insult you.
I'm tired of making fun of liberals today. It's easy and fun and I'm sure there is profit in it but I need sleep. One of these days I'll get off this third shift. Maybe I can whine to my boss that I'm being discriminated against, nah, I'm needed on third shift so that's where they put me. That crap of claiming discrimintion when their isn't any doesn't wash with me.
The premise that the left hates the Constitution is a lie.
I'm left, and I love the United States Constitution so much that I carry it around in my purse (and also in case I run into rightwingers who claim to love it, claim to have read, but really only care about the second amendment.
OK muddkitty here's the bill of Rights (the First 10 amendments to the Constitution) Show me where it says you have the right to free speech. That is a myth.
We the People declare in the name of the State;
1.Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2.A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3.Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4.Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
4.Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
5.Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.
6.Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
7.Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
8.Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
9.Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.
10.When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class; if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.
In place of the old bourgeois society, with its classes and class antagonisms, we shall have an association in which the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all.
I like the coining of a new phrase, "Congress of Corruption."
FWIW, I've dubbed the 110th Congress "The Coalition of the Cut-n-Runners!"
J-g very funny.
May I direct you to the first amendment?
J_G is right there is nothing in the first amendment that says anything about free speech looks like property ownership to me.
I learned from certain people how to demonstrate absurdity with absurdity mudkitty. Those are the Tenets from Part II of the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848.
When I was growing up all the way through the time I was discharged from the US Navy in 1985 after serving for 10 years, the enemy was defined as "the Communists". I made it my business to not only be able to identify his equipment for destruction but to identify why he is the enemy.
As you can see from just that small piece from the Communist Manifesto that I have entertained you with, you can understand (I hope) how seriously I take my freedoms.
If you carry a copy of one those pocket Constitutions then good for you, that is far more than most people are willing to do. Now what you need to do is understand the meanings of the words that are printed on those pages. I suggest you obtain, read and compare to the Constitution the "Federalist Papers". The ideas and the intentions of Framers of the Constitution are made much clearer if you understand the intent. You may find links to all the documents from our Founding Fathers and more at my blog in the "links' section under "The Original Intent".
mudkitty said...
The premise that the left hates the Constitution is a lie.
I'm left, and I love the United States Constitution so much that I carry it around in my purse (and also in case I run into rightwingers who claim to love it, claim to have read, but really only care about the second amendment
I carry a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution in my purse, too. The purse-size booklet was published by the Cato Institute in 1998. I also carry a purse-size book of poems by Emily Dickinson.
Now see, I must have started something. Not only does mudkitty carry one of those pocket Constitutions but Mrs Green carries a copy of the DoI in her purse. That don't impress me much . What really impresses me is that Mrs. Green carries Emily Dickinson with her. That really makes quite the impression on me;-)
My friend must be a Bird --
Because it flies!
Mortal, my friend must be,
Because it dies!
Barbs has it, like a Bee!
Ah, curious friend!
Thou puzzlest me!
So then JG, why did you misquote the constitution? You know, there are people here who may actully think you're writing the truth.
Hardy har har har mudkitty, you quack me up. I betcha you were the only one pulling out your little constitution book see which amendment said anything about abolishing property ownership and instituting a heavy progressive tax.Those are just planks in the democrat party platform mudkitty not amendments to the constitution.
LMAO JG, are you freaking these Loones out?
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