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Homeland Security Advisory

September 26, 2006

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Bush To De-Classify Intel Report

Bush to Release Part of Intel Assessment

President Bush on Tuesday said it is naive and a mistake to think that the war with Iraq has worsened terrorism, disputing a national intelligence assessment by his own administration. He said he was declassifying part of the report.
"Some people have guessed what's in the report and concluded that going into Iraq was a mistake. I strongly disagree," Bush said.

He asserted that portions of the classified report that had been leaked were done so for political purposes, referring to the Nov. 7 midterm elections.

Bush announced that he was ordering parts of the report declassified during a White House news conference with Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Portions of the document that have been leaked suggest that the threat of terrorism has grown worse since the Sept. 11 terror attacks and the war in Afghanistan, due in part to the war in Iraq.

Democrats have used the report to bolster their criticism of Bush's Iraq policy. The administration has claimed only part of the report was leaked and does not tell the full story.

Both the chairman and the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee have urged the White House to release the material.

Using a portion of the report to attack his Iraq policy and suggest it has fanned more terrorism is "naive," Bush said.



"I think it's a mistake for people to believe that going on the offense against people that want to do harm to the American people makes us less safe," he said.

Bush said he had directed National Intelligence Director John Negroponte to declassify those parts of the report that don't compromise national security. The National Intelligence Estimate was written in April.

"You read it for yourself. Stop all this speculation," Bush said.

He complained that "somebody leaked classified information for political purposes," Bush said, criticizing both the news media and people in government who talked to them about classified material.

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UPDATE: Delassified NIE Key Judgements
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President Bush, get rid of ALL the Clinton leftovers in your administration! It's obvious that this whole thing is an election ploy. But whomever is leaking this stuff to the New York Times REPEATEDLY needs to go! Have these people been asleep since 1978? We have had terrorist attacks repeatedly since then. The Terrorists declared a "Jihad" on US! They have been trying and sometimes succeeding at hitting us. ANYONE that believes we shouldnt go after THEM instead of waiting until they come here AGAIN is insane! We were NOT in Iraq on 9-11, when the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia were blown up, The Beruit Marine Barrack's Bombing, The FIRST attack on the WTC in 1993, all the Hijacking of Planes, and Ships over the years, The US Embassy in Tehran, Iran in 1978, etc, etc, etc,! Iraq wasnt even in the picture in ANY of these cases!! Does this report include ALL the attacks that have been thwarted?

23 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am quite interested in what the de-classified information reads. I am interested in seeing it myself.

September 26, 2006 12:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marie,
I read somewhere yesterday that claiming the US presence in Iraq brings on terror is akin to saying the Allied invasion of Normandy brought on harsh Nazi attacks. It's a bunch of nonsense.

September 26, 2006 12:44 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Penn,

I am quite interested in what the de-classified information reads. I am interested in seeing it myself.
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You bet. I am quite interested in this too.

September 26, 2006 1:44 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Jay,

Marie,
I read somewhere yesterday that claiming the US presence in Iraq brings on terror is akin to saying the Allied invasion of Normandy brought on harsh Nazi attacks. It's a bunch of nonsense.

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Haha that's a good way to look at it.

I am very concerned with who is leaking classified information to ANYONE!!! I think President Bush needs to get to the bottom of this and FAST!!!!

September 26, 2006 1:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What I want to know is, who is leaking top-secret documents to the New York Times, and why?
That said, don't forget that most of what you read in the New York Times is made up, while most of the rest is wrong.

September 26, 2006 2:21 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Uncle P,

What I want to know is, who is leaking top-secret documents to the New York Times, and why?
That said, don't forget that most of what you read in the New York Times is made up, while most of the rest is wrong.

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Me too! I think it's some hold out's from the Clinton administration that President Bush never got rid of and probably trusted all this time. He should have cleaned house the moment he entered office, and he has had 5 years to get rid of these people, he needs to look into this as fast as possible. Because whoever is leaking Classified document's is committing TREASON! And he needs to get to the bottom of this NOW!!

Yeah, the New York Slimes sat on this story since April, I wonder what else the Slimes has in store?

September 26, 2006 2:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Marie, I'm posting this because downthread you suggested the "comma" comment by Mr. Bush was taken out of context. It wasn't. He really did say the Iraqi war would be nothing but a comma in history. 2,700 deaths (so far) for a comma?


"Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer" Sept. 23, 2006:


BLITZER: Let's move on and talk a little bit about Iraq. Because this is a huge, huge issue, as you know, for the American public, a lot of concern that perhaps they are on the verge of a civil war, if not already a civil war…. We see these horrible bodies showing up, tortured, mutilation. The Shia and the Sunni, the Iranians apparently having a negative role. Of course, al Qaeda in Iraq is still operating.

BUSH: Yes, you see — you see it on TV, and that's the power of an enemy that is willing to kill innocent people. But there's also an unbelievable will and resiliency by the Iraqi people…. Admittedly, it seems like a decade ago. I like to tell people when the final history is written on Iraq, it will look like just a comma because there is — my point is, there's a strong will for democracy.

September 26, 2006 2:51 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read somewhere yesterday that claiming the US presence in Iraq brings on terror is akin to saying the Allied invasion of Normandy brought on harsh Nazi attacks. It's a bunch of nonsense.--jay

Problem with whoever said that is this:

In WWII we entered the war BECAUSE WE WERE ATTACKED BY JAPAN.

We were not attacked by Iraq. Bush himself has emphatically stated that Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

We were attacked ON 9/11 by OBL and Al Qaeda.

September 26, 2006 3:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I read somewhere yesterday that claiming the US presence in Iraq brings on terror is akin to saying the Allied invasion of Normandy brought on harsh Nazi attacks. It's a bunch of nonsense.--jay

Problem with whoever said that is this:

In WWII we entered the war BECAUSE WE WERE ATTACKED BY JAPAN.

We were not attacked by Iraq. Bush himself has emphatically stated that Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

We were attacked ON 9/11 by OBL and Al Qaeda.

September 26, 2006 3:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sorry about that second post. Don't know why it happened.

That said, don't forget that most of what you read in the New York Times is made up, while most of the rest is wrong.

So when the NYTimes reported on Clinton and Monica, it was made up or wrong.

Thank you. I've always thought that, too. Uncle P. Thanks for validating that all the reporting on Bill and Monica was wrong. Thank you.

September 26, 2006 3:36 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Mrs Green,

Marie, I'm posting this because downthread you suggested the "comma" comment by Mr. Bush was taken out of context. It wasn't. He really did say the Iraqi war would be nothing but a comma in history. 2,700 deaths (so far) for a comma?
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I told you if he said that it was being miscontrued and taken out of context. You have to look at what he meant, this being a "Global War On Terror" with Iraq being one part of it, IS going to be a comma. And I will tell you why, in the long sceme of things this being a LONG war, that is going to go on for a LONG time, looking at it as in History book terms as if to say "When The Global War On Terror Started, the World formed a Coalition of Troops, and went to Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.." (That's the comma he was talking about) and wherever else we have to go to get these enemys that want us all dead.

I know the left is having a field day with this but there is nothing to this.

He wasnt downgrading our troops or anything like that. He would NEVER do that!

You guys need to take a deep breath and get a grip already!

September 26, 2006 3:55 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Mrs Green,

We were not attacked by Iraq. Bush himself has emphatically stated that Iraq HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH 9/11.

We were attacked ON 9/11 by OBL and Al Qaeda.

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Jesus Christ!!! How many times must this be explained to you?

We were attacked by TERRORISTS, UBL being the ringleader of that particular attack on 9-11, Hence the start of the "GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR" GLOBAL, GLOBAL, GLOBAL!!!! Which means, we will hunt ALL Terrorists down and Capture or Kill them! ALL of them. WHEREVER they hide! Saddam was a TERRORIST, there are many more out there that HAVENT YET been gotten to! But they will be, that's what a "Coalition Of The Willing Is"! 65 Countries and growing are ALL involved on the Ground in Afghanistan and Iraq, the rest are helping any way they can by capturing and or killing the Terrorists in THIER Countries, cutting off thier money, and doing whatever else they do in those Countries to Terrorists that I dont want to know about.

Are you getting this yet? Is this sinking in?

It's NOT just Al-Quaida we are after, it's ALL terrorists!

What is it with you on the left that you dont get it?

September 26, 2006 4:12 PM  
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September 27, 2006 5:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've grown tired of explaining things to Mrs. Green. You make such trivial points Mrs. Green.

We would be fighting these same terrorists if we were in Afghanistan or Iraq. The Islamists are there to fight the infidel whether it is Iraq or Afghanistan. Terrorists make better targets in Iraq than they do in Afghanistan. Every General knows it is better to fight on the battlefield of your own choosing. If we were fighting this war with global terrorists strictly in Afghanistan our losses would three to four times greater becuase of the terrain and tactical advantages they can use. Why is it that such a very small and defeated force is so hard to extiguish in the mountains of Afghanistan now. Just imagine if the world's terrorists where in Afghanistan instead of Iraq. Go read about Osama and the Russians.

I get disgusted with the ignorance people have about warfare. The worst part of it is that the top dems know all this but choose to exploit the ignorance of their constituency instead of enlisting the help of everyone.

September 27, 2006 5:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Y'know, Marie, one thing I've found from substitute teaching eighth graders is, repetition is often a substitute for persuasion.
Since liberals think of us as being eighth graders (well, maybe special ed eighth graders anyway) they'll often repeat a weak argument so as to make it sound more credible. That may be why you get so many duplicate posts.
You have to remember, They're just smarter than we are.
Happy motoring...

September 27, 2006 7:34 AM  
Blogger The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Marie,

I have nothing to add. I read Mrs. Green's comments, and two points I wanted to respond to, you addressed as I scrolled. Well done.

I have no doubt there are probably more Jihadists taking up arms and joining radical Islam. But it's not our presence in Iraq in itself. It's the misperception and Jihadist propaganda about what it is that we are doing in Iraq. We removed Saddam Hussein, who is responsible for more Muslim deaths than we are. And we are there at the expense of taxpayer dollars and American and Coalition lives on behalf of the Iraqi people. So why the outrage? Because of the radical Islamic ideology and the negative propaganda campaign by the Bush-haters and anti-American "world opinion" that will have us make a mountain out of a molehill out of such lastpage news stories as abu ghraib and Guantanamo. What does that do but fuel Muslim outrage when the NYTimes runs 31 consecutive frontpage news stories on Abu Ghraib in the space of a month?

September 27, 2006 12:18 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no doubt there are probably more Jihadists taking up arms and joining radical Islam. But it's not our presence in Iraq in itself. Wordsmith

Bush's own intelligence agencies, who, I'm guessing here, probably know more than you about the situation in Iraq, have said this in the report:

“...the Iraq conflict has become a cause célèbre for jihadists, breeding a deep resentment of U.S. involvement in the Muslim world, and cultivating supporters for the global jihadist movement.’’

Right there in the President's own NIE report it unequivocally states that Iraq IS the reason for terrorists recruiting in the ME. We are NOT killing terrorists faster than they are making terrorists. The Iraq war has caused more terrorism in the world, not less.

Now either Wordsmith and the rest of you guys are living with cognitive dissonance (and I'm sorry for you if that is so--it sucks) or you are willfully disregarding what Bush's own NIE report has set out in black and white. The truth.

The Democrats did not conduct the investigation and write up the results. Mr. Bush's own people did that.

Now you guys will have to read the report, internalize what it means, then live with it.

But stop blaming other people for Bush's, Rummy's, Rice's and Cheney's mistakes.

September 27, 2006 3:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is a distorted, out of context, single sentence quote taken from a 35 page document that in it's final conclusion reiterates what GWB and the rest of us say and have been saying.

"If we abandon Iraq they will continue to recruit and follow us back to our own shores. If we decidely defeat jihad in Iraq it will reduce greatly the number of new recruits that will become fighters of the infidels".

Read and understand the entire declassified document Mrs. Green not just one sentence. Your representatives up there have been sitting on this document in it's entirety since April how come they decided to let only one sentence leak out since they recieved this report?

September 27, 2006 5:57 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

JG

I've grown tired of explaining things to Mrs. Green. You make such trivial points Mrs. Green.
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Well you have to figure it this way JG, they are pretty much running out of things to make the Republicans look weak on Terrorism, and National Security and I warned them it wasnt thier strong suit, but they insist on running on this platform. But Hey!!! Let them have at it, it's a very good strategy for the Republicans lol

September 27, 2006 11:10 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Uncle P,

Y'know, Marie, one thing I've found from substitute teaching eighth graders is, repetition is often a substitute for persuasion.
Since liberals think of us as being eighth graders (well, maybe special ed eighth graders anyway) they'll often repeat a weak argument so as to make it sound more credible. That may be why you get so many duplicate posts.
You have to remember, They're just smarter than we are.
Happy motoring...

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LMAO Uncle P, and all this time I thought it was Blogspot!

September 27, 2006 11:13 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Word,

Marie,

I have nothing to add. I read Mrs. Green's comments, and two points I wanted to respond to, you addressed as I scrolled. Well done.

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I wish I knew what they were Word lol, Thank's though.

I have no doubt there are probably more Jihadists taking up arms and joining radical Islam. But it's not our presence in Iraq in itself. It's the misperception and Jihadist propaganda about what it is that we are doing in Iraq. We removed Saddam Hussein, who is responsible for more Muslim deaths than we are. And we are there at the expense of taxpayer dollars and American and Coalition lives on behalf of the Iraqi people. So why the outrage? Because of the radical Islamic ideology and the negative propaganda campaign by the Bush-haters and anti-American "world opinion" that will have us make a mountain out of a molehill out of such lastpage news stories as abu ghraib and Guantanamo. What does that do but fuel Muslim outrage when the NYTimes runs 31 consecutive frontpage news stories on Abu Ghraib in the space of a month?
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Great post Word. Like I commented, we werent in Iraq in 2001, or before when all the attacks were really at full throttle.
These Radical Muslim Lunatics declared Jihad against us long ago, and have been ready to strike and attack us since 1996 and earlier.

As long as we finish this job in Iraq it will be looked at like a "Defeat" for them and all terrorists, and they will lose alot of thier fight, and this whole thing can end all over the world alot sooner!

September 27, 2006 11:23 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Mrs Green,

I have no doubt there are probably more Jihadists taking up arms and joining radical Islam. But it's not our presence in Iraq in itself. Wordsmith

Bush's own intelligence agencies, who, I'm guessing here, probably know more than you about the situation in Iraq, have said this in the report.

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On the thread above I outlined all the crap the New York Times left out.

Basically the report is saying if we "Leave Iraq" before the job is done all hell will probably brake loose, the Times didnt mention that did they?

And all this was written BEFORE Al-Zarqawi got killed. Back in APRIL.

Nope Mrs Green all this was, was just another election ploy with distorted, cherry picked information, and we are bound to see alot more of it coming from the NYT before November.

Once again the NYT has opened mouth and inserted foot AGAIN!

September 27, 2006 11:32 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

JG,

That is a distorted, out of context, single sentence quote taken from a 35 page document that in it's final conclusion reiterates what GWB and the rest of us say and have been saying.

"If we abandon Iraq they will continue to recruit and follow us back to our own shores. If we decidely defeat jihad in Iraq it will reduce greatly the number of new recruits that will become fighters of the infidels".

Read and understand the entire declassified document Mrs. Green not just one sentence. Your representatives up there have been sitting on this document in it's entirety since April how come they decided to let only one sentence leak out since they recieved this report?

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Maybe the above thread will help Mrs Green to understand what the entire report says.

But then again she would have to read it, instead of cherry picking what she wants out of it.

September 27, 2006 11:35 PM  

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