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August 02, 2006

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Marine Names Congressman Murtha In Defamation Suit



Marine Names Murtha in Defamation Suit
Congressman Discussed Killings Involving Serviceman's Squad in Haditha, Iraq


A Marine Corps staff sergeant who led the squad accused of killing two dozen civilians in Haditha, Iraq, will file a lawsuit today in federal court in Washington claiming that Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) defamed him when the congressman made public comments about the incident earlier this year.

Attorneys for Frank D. Wuterich, 26, argue in court papers that Murtha tarnished the Marine's reputation by telling news organizations in May that the Marine unit cracked after a roadside bomb killed one of its members and that the troops "killed innocent civilians in cold blood." Murtha also said repeatedly that the incident was covered up.

Marine Staff Sgt. Frank D. Wuterich has maintained his innocence.

Murtha argued that the questionable deaths of 24 civilians were indicative of the difficulties and overpowering stress that U.S. troops are facing. The congressman, a former Marine, has been a leading advocate for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq.



In the court filing, obtained by The Washington Post, the lawyers say that Murtha made the comments after being briefed by Defense Department officials who "deliberately provided him with inaccurate and false information." Neal A. Puckett and Mark S. Zaid, suing for libel and invasion of privacy, also wrote that Murtha made the comments outside of his official scope as a congressman.

Telephone calls yesterday to Murtha's office in Washington were referred to his district office in Pennsylvania, and calls there were not returned. A Marine Corps spokesman declined to comment yesterday on the Haditha investigation or the lawsuit.

The suit could have interesting legal ramifications because Wuterich and the other members of his squad have not been charged and have not received any official investigative documentation about the Nov. 19 incident. A Naval Criminal Investigative Service investigation is expected to determine possible charges this summer, said officials familiar with the case.

Zaid said the filing is designed partly to force Murtha to disclose what information he received from the Defense Department and the Marine Corps commandant to form his opinion, essentially trying to speed up the discovery process in a potential criminal trial.

"This case is not about money; it's about clearing Frank Wuterich's name, and part of that is to identify where these leaks are coming from," Zaid said in an interview. "Congressman Murtha has created this atmosphere that has already concluded guilt. He's created this environment that really smells, and he's the only one who has done that."

The move by Wuterich is rare, as statements made by members of Congress generally are protected under the "speech or debate" clause in Article I, Section 6, of the Constitution. But legal experts said the clause grants immunity only for what lawmakers say in legislative proceedings and does not apply to news releases, speeches and other public comments.

Rodney A. Smolla, dean of the University of Richmond Law School and a libel expert, said yesterday that Wuterich would have the burden of proving that he is innocent and that Murtha's statements were false, but he added that the quotations appear to be actionable in court. He said the suit shows that Wuterich probably thinks he did nothing wrong.

"Part of the subtext of this is it's a showing of confidence and a preemptive strike of sorts," Smolla said. "The congressman's statement does not sound as if it is merely hyperbole or opinion or name-calling. Instead, it conveys the idea that the Marines violated professional standards and perhaps the law."

Wuterich, through his attorneys, has maintained his innocence and has said that the Marines killed two dozen people that day because they were engaged in a firefight with suspected insurgents. He told his lawyers that he and other Marines used grenades and rifles to clear two houses they thought were hostile. Another Marine's detailed account of the incident, obtained by The Post, corroborates Wuterich's version.

Donald Ritchie, associate historian in the Senate Historical Office, said that such defamation suits happen from time to time but that they tend not to go anywhere because of the constitutional protections members have. He said the most famous case was in 1979, when the Supreme Court ruled that Sen. William Proxmire (D-Wis.) was not protected when he made defamatory statements to constituents in a newsletter.

"The Supreme Court has suggested that speech and debate has limits to it, and that makes people vulnerable in certain areas," Ritchie said.

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Good. It's time these Congressman and Senator's that are saying things to bring down Troop Morale, and flat out Lying about them in the MIDDLE OF A WAR, and bordering on TREASON are held accountable for what they say. It will be interesting to see just who in the Defense Dept. Is Leaking Information In An Ongoing Criminal Investigation! I bet you, It's A Liberal!

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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Initial probe into Haditha killings supports murder accusations: DOD official


http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/paperchase/2006/08/initial-probe-into-haditha-killings.php

[JURIST] The Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) has completed its probe into the deaths of 24 Iraqi civilians in Haditha last November, and a Pentagon official indicated Wednesday that evidence supports accusations that US Marines from the Third Battalion, First Marine Regiment murdered the unarmed Iraqis.

NCIS may be called on again to further investigate the incident if the commanding officer of the First Marine Expeditionary Force decides to press criminal charges against the Marines involved in the incident.

A second NCIS probe into the Haditha incident is investigating whether commanders in Iraq deliberately covered up the Iraqi deaths passing them off as the result of gunfire during conflict ensuing from a roadside bomb. AP has more.

In a related development, the US Marine Corps may be preparing unspecified charges against four Marines that were among the seven Marines and one Navy corpsman charged with murdering an unarmed man in Hamdania and then placing a rifle and shovel near his body to make him look like an insurgent preparing a roadside bomb.

Defense coordinator Lt. Col. Colby Vokey said that he learned of the new charges when the military told him to find attorneys for the four of the Marines who were previously charged in the Hamdania probe. The military has not said whether the new charges will be connected to the Hamdania death or other incidents uncovered in the investigation. AP has more.


yah, Marie, it's all Murtha's fault.

The Department of Defense (Rummy's in charge, remember?) is making this up?

August 02, 2006 5:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It will be intersting to find out where these Congressman have been getting thier so called "Information"!

hahahahahaa!

Where are they getting their "so called information?"

Why from the Department of Defense, which is headed by Donald Rumsfeld.

Bwahahahahahahaha!

August 02, 2006 5:15 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Mrs. Green,

Did you even read the story?

Did you get to this part?

Zaid said the filing is designed partly to force Murtha to disclose what information he received from the Defense Department and the Marine Corps commandant to form his opinion, essentially trying to speed up the discovery process in a potential criminal trial.

I guess I phrased my opinion wrong I should have said "What Defense Dept Official Is Leaking Information In An Ongoing Criminal Investigation"? Instead of "Where is he getting his information"? I will correct that.

Either way,
Initial probe into Haditha killings supports murder accusations: DOD official

That first sentence should have told you it wasnt the investigation in progress.
You nor any Pentagon Official that is leaking information in this case has the right to have these Soldiers tried and convicted before they even get a court date!
At least one of the Soldiers has enough guts to take on Murtha and his wild accusations. And that's exactly what they are, Murtha's wild accusations!

And the story you linked to is to Haditha, but when you end your rant with Hamandia, those are 2 separate cities!

Is it a must in the Liberal agenda to attack our troops at every possible opportunity?

Has the thought ever crossed your mind that these Soldiers who are risking thier lives to protect all of us and give us the right to post on blogs, message boards, hell be able to get out of A bed in the morning, every single day FREE , should be givin the benefit of the doubt first and foremost, before trying and convicting them before they even have a trial?

August 02, 2006 8:35 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Anon,

I LOVE it when you Liberals do this it just proves my point.

You Liberal's take every single opportunity to slam our troops at every possible venue.

It show's all of us what will really happen if the House or Senate goes back to Liberal control.

The party of cut and run, let's go back to before 9-11, maybe if we wish it, it will all go away.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

August 02, 2006 8:42 PM  
Blogger The Chief said...

With regard to the repeated statements made by John Murtha, it does not matter if the Marines and Navy Corpsman are guilty or not (they haven't yet even been charged).

Murtha's irrsponsible remarks place a lot of pressure on the Marine Corps to file charges and bring this to Courts Martial when otherwise they may not have. Also the fact of his being a US Congressman as well as an EX-Marine Col. (emphasis on EX, most Marines have disowned him) has the potential of influencing members of the Court.

The so called Defense officals who leaked info to him are some of the same left over 'Clintonistas' infesting the DoD, CIA, and State Department intent on harming President Bush even if they harm the country in the process.

This incident will and should be investigated, but to lock these fighting men up and treat them like criminals when they are badly needed based on almost no verifiable evidence is criminal in itself. Haditha is extremely anti-American and the veracity of any of these 'citizens' should immediately be considered suspect.

I have no doubt some of the wrong people (I hesitate to say innocent) were killed, but this is another case of dishonorable Arab fighters either using women and children as shields or purposely staging the scene so that our troops wound up killing these people inadvertently during normal self-defense 'clearing' tactics.

You libs don't deserve the sacrifice and protection these fine people provide you.

You can go straight to hell!

August 03, 2006 5:33 AM  
Blogger Russ5811 said...

So, Purple Jesus, you say there's no threat to you! What if you'd been in NYC on Sept. 11th, or on the train in Spain, or on the subway in London? Or, what if we let the world run wild and only worried about our internal problems. Well, then eventually, the problems we ignored would spill over into our borders. In fact, that's why we have so many illegal aliens, BECAUSE THE WORLD'S PROBLEMS SPILL INTO OUR BORDERS. Why is it you think the US exists in a vacuum that would be unaffected by the world if we just put our tail between our legs and limped home?

Oh, and by the way...hasn't the price of oil INCREASED since we went to Iraq? So what are we "greedy and blind fools" gaining by fighting in Iraq? Well, let's see...Iraqi FREEDOM!! A couple hundred years ago, a tyrant was controlling our soil. We needed help to defeat his army. And guess what, we became the most powerful nation on Earth. Now, it is our turn to help a nation-state get out from under the rule of a dictator. We did that...now he's wasting away. But the liberals say we're the terrorists....we're the murderers. Take a look at my post on www.corpsblog.com called "Fools..." it is a video produced by your beloved MSM detailing how certain Middle Eastern countries fake the real facts to appear to be victims.

I do not support human life unilaterally. Some human life is worthless. Terrorists, murderers, and those who would collaborate with them deserve to be eradicated from this Earth. That's what we are doing.

Oh, and one more thing. If you liberals wouldn't freak out about drilling in Alaska, then we would need Middle Eastern oil.

So, think before you speak, and get the hell off this blog...your words don't rate space on a blog run by a MARINE!!!

SEMPER FI!!

August 03, 2006 9:05 AM  
Blogger purple jesus said...

Whatever jack ass! Seems the Marines got a little trigger happy afterall

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14166052/

I guess it doesn't matter who you kill as long as somebody dies huh?

What exactly differentiates us from the supposed terrorists again?

August 03, 2006 11:40 AM  
Blogger purple jesus said...

How is it that killing innocent iraqis and lebanese civilians is protecting me from terrorism? They are still attacking. Whether we lose a war in Iraq or not.

Also your wish to destroy Alaskan wilderness and wildlife would not provide anywhere near the oil needed to meet the greedy demands of the GOP hummers. Or the fuel required to ship Condoliesa Rice back and forth to the middle east where she isn't acheiving anything or the fighter jets that we supply to Israel to slaughter children. But of course to you not all innocent life is of value

August 03, 2006 11:49 AM  
Blogger purple jesus said...

Of course I could leave this blog so that you could all relish in the destruction america spreads throughout the world and you could sit back and smile and agree with eachother but what fun would that be?

August 03, 2006 11:50 AM  
Blogger purple jesus said...

Marie puts me in the garbage anyway but it sure is nice to get your ignorant responses before hand

Fuck Israel/US agression. Ossama is a lie!

August 03, 2006 11:51 AM  
Blogger Russ5811 said...

Purple Jesus,

thank you for your responses and also for showing whoever is reading this that you can only respond with vulgarities and by insulting my wife. For any of you that don't know...Purple Jesus here, couldn't win this argument with intelligence so he visited my blog and posted an insulting comment about my wife. I deleted it because she doesn't deserve that to remain on there.

Anyway, you speak of killing innocent civilians? Why is it that when Israel protects itself, they are a child-murdering aggressor, but when hezbollah and palestinians continually kill Israelis, it's ok. Maybe you should move to Iran, if you don't already live there.

And if you read my post, i said nothing about killing innocents...only terrorists.

Good luck in life Purple Jesus...that screen name is as close as you'll ever get to god.fh

August 03, 2006 12:14 PM  
Blogger purple jesus said...

So it's an insult to your wife to say she's hot? how bout 'She is a very pretty young lady'

August 03, 2006 12:29 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Seaspook,
Boy did you hit the nail on the head with that one!

The so called Defense officals who leaked info to him are some of the same left over 'Clintonistas' infesting the DoD, CIA, and State Department intent on harming President Bush even if they harm the country in the process.


I have been wondering for quite some time who on earth would leak information from the Pentagon about any ongoing investigation especially to Murtha!
That explains alot. Thank You.
That must also be what is going on with the NY Times, and other's about our spy programs that we need so desperately.

It's a shame the 'Clintonistas' werent cleaned out of there when Bush was elected the first time, let alone the second.

August 03, 2006 7:56 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Russ5811,
Thank You for your service to this Country!!
What a fine group of people, I would wrather hear from the Soldiers themselves than from the rest of the Liberal Lunatic's I seem to attract on this blog.

August 03, 2006 8:11 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

JarheadJohn,
Thank you for your Service to our Country also!

It just doesnt seem right that these fools who are so against the Soldier's get to share the same planet.

August 03, 2006 8:14 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Purple,

I am actually just going to let you set there and look like the heathen you really are.

People need to see what kind of crud will be running this Country if your kind get to run it again.

Hell if your kind on the left get to run this Country again I might as well buy a gun and put a bullet through my own head and save the terrorist's the trouble!

August 03, 2006 8:18 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Purple,
By the way,
I bet
This
Really sets you off doesnt it?

August 03, 2006 8:23 PM  
Blogger Russ5811 said...

Marie,

I apologize...but I've been posting about your blog on mine and I've been calling it Marine's Two Cents...I'll be sure to change it.

Anyway, to piggyback off of what seaspook said. Many years ago, a Marine plane crashed into a ski lift and killed some civilians...in Italy I think. Anyway, I was new to the Corps at that time and it was my first experience with Marines getting screwed over to calm the masses. Later on in my career, I saw a Marine illegally smuggle his lover..a princess...into the US. He was going to be sent to prison...but he got smart and went to the media...for some reason, that saved him that time. I wonder why...oh yeah, because at that time the country wasn't trying to crucify the men & women i the armed forces.

Anyway, now that the left and the media are out for blood, these Marines are going to be found "guilty" unless some things change real fast and the public starts to turn away from listening to clowns like Murtha.

But anyway, I've said enough, thanks for the comment Marie, sorry I caused that yahoo to post so many comments on your blog.

August 03, 2006 8:50 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Russ,
Thank You, I just came from your blog and it looks very nice.

I cant believe the way the Media and the Public have gone after Our Servicemen and Women. It sickens me to think they are out for blood like this, I have never seen anything like it.

And I was just a kid in the 60's and 70's and I dont remember alot but if this is what it was like, all this hate for our Military, I'm glad I missed it.

But you know what? I'm alot older now and hopefully wiser. And I can tell you the truth when I say after seeing what miserable bastards were spitting on our troops when they came home after Nam, I can honestly say I will go to jail over that kind of crud this time!
I see anyone disrespect our Military like that in person, I will slap them right out in Public and gladly set in jail with a big grin on my face knowing I at least did something nice for our Country also!

I dont have any idea what to do about the Media and the rest of the looney left. I guess just try to put out my best effort to let the whole Country see what a bunch of Lunatic's there really are out there that are trying to cause nothing but contempt for our Military, with people like Murtha.

And all this crap during the middle of a WAR!

And that yahoo wasnt your fault, Purple has been wasting his time on my blog for a while now.

Thank's again

August 03, 2006 9:16 PM  
Blogger Russ5811 said...

Marie, thanks for offering to link to my site. the url is http://www.corpsblog.com

Thank you!

August 03, 2006 10:21 PM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Russ,
Consider yourself linked :-)

August 03, 2006 11:10 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"... a tyrant was controlling our soil. We needed help to defeat his army. And guess what, we became the most powerful nation on Earth."

The "tyrant" you speak of was British and the help we needed to defeat his army was French. If it hadn't been for France, England would have defeated us. heh.

Mon dieu! Viva la France!!!!


And one person's point of view on this blog does NOT mean he or she represents every liberal in this country, okay?

Otherwise we'll have to assume that Jack Abramoff and Randy "Duke" Cunningham are the representatives of conservative integrity. And the lying, disgraced Richard Nixon is the highest achievement of the Republican Party.

purple jesus speaks for himself.

Or is that too difficult a concept for you guys to grasp?

Why don't you guys grow up and understand that karl rove's plan is to divide us, to divide AMERICANS so that he has us busy fighting each other instead of the corrupt, dishonest politicians--in both parties!

August 05, 2006 10:08 AM  
Blogger Marie's Two Cents said...

Mrs Green,

The "tyrant" you speak of was British and the help we needed to defeat his army was French. If it hadn't been for France, England would have defeated us. heh.

I'm quite sure Russ know's what he's talking about he's been a Marine for quite a long time.

And one person's point of view on this blog does NOT mean he or she represents every liberal in this country, okay?

purple jesus speaks for himself.

Oh sure it does, Purple Jesus represent's just how far gone you Lunatic's on the left have become.

Why don't you guys grow up and understand that karl rove's plan is to divide us, to divide AMERICANS so that he has us busy fighting each other instead of the corrupt, dishonest politicians--in both parties!

Why dont you grow a brain and realize your whole party is bought and paid for by George Soros and his merry band of thieves.

Your entire party is beholden to old Georgie baby now, and MoveOn.org, and Air America, and everything else Georgie baby has put millions of dollars into.

But I dont think he will continue to throw money at Air America much longer since he is the only one picking up the tab anymore, why, they cant even get any commercial sponsors anymore.
But oh well it's Georgie's dime.

And it's Moveon.org, and Georgie baby, Howard Dean, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Half of Hollywood, etc.. and all the Liberal Lunatic's coming from your party from all sides that are dividing everyone not the Republicans.

I think it pretty much all started when Howard Dean said :"Republicans have never worked an honest day in thier lives"!

Yep I think that was about when it all started and it just went down hill from there.

You see, they dont call us the silent Majority for nothing, some things we may not bring up very often, and some things we never forget :-)

But he was you guys pick for DNC chair. Yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

August 06, 2006 12:39 AM  

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