John Glenn Said:
I recieved this e-mail and I thought it was worth sharing:
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JOHN GLENN SAID
Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq .
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea .
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida !!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
JOHN GLENN SAID
Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq .
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea .
North Korea never attacked us.
From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..
an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining
about how long the war is taking.
But
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno
to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation.
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons
in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the
Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his
Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida !!!!
Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high!
The biased media hopes we are too ignorant
to realize the facts.
posted by Marie's Two Cents | 10:50 PM
9 Comments:
Bush doesn't have an exit strategy for Iraq, but he sure had one for Vietnam.
Anon...if you want us to leave Iraq any sooner, quit undermining the mission for achieving victory in Iraq.
Who ever told you this would be a cakewalk, junior?
Don't remember Republicans screaming at FDR for an exit strategy back in the day. By today's standards, the Normandy Invasion would have been considered a disaster; and you guys would be demanding for heads to roll for every military misstep.
And by exit strategy in Vietnam...you must have President Bush confused for former President Clinton.
wordsmith from nantucket said:
Anon...if you want us to leave Iraq any sooner, quit undermining the mission for achieving victory in Iraq.
Who ever told you this would be a cakewalk, junior?
Yes. Junior did say it would be a cakewalk. We'd be met with flowers and candy. And Junior declaared "Mission Accomplished" and end to major combat in May of 2003.
Ooooops!
Don't remember Republicans screaming at FDR for an exit strategy back in the day. By today's standards, the Normandy Invasion would have been considered a disaster; and you guys would be demanding for heads to roll for every military misstep.
Please don't use this silly, irrelevant analogy. Word War II is not the same an the WAR OF CHOICE IN IRAQ.
We were attacked at Pearl Harbor in WWII. Iraq did not attack us on September 11. Period. The president's on Commission on 9/11 said there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda and that Saddam did not have the capability to strike us with or without nuclear weapons.
And by exit strategy in Vietnam...you must have President Bush confused for former President Clinton.
No, this doesn't work either, but nice try. Clinton was against the war and legally, just like Big Dick Cheney and the majority of the neo-con, avoided serving. Legally.
On the other hand, your hero, Mr. Bush, was a supporter of the Vietnam war and when asked on his application for the TANG if he would serve overseas, your president put an "x" beside the choice "no."
So you see Bush was for the war in Vietnam, thought it was worth fighting for--that is, it was worth other people's lives fighting for.
Clinton was morally consistent. He was against the war and, like Cheney, legally avoided it.
Bush is a moral coward.
Anon, like I said before if you are NOT called up for a combat mission that doesnt mean you never served. My son served in Germany before he got the call to go to Iraq, but he served none the less starting with Enduring Freedom which started 3 months after he entered the Army. He entered on June 11, 2001 we were attacked exactly 3 months to the day after that.
My point being, my son is in an all volunteer Army, today's Army. There was a draft for Viet Nam, it's very simple as my son has explained to me, you are called up for combat or you are called up for somewhere else they need you! Sometimes even during wartime you dont see the combat zone even if you are enlisted or drafted. The Armed forces put you where they need you reguarless of what's going on. Some see combat, some dont. That being said, Wordsmith is exactly correct, however there is an exit staregy for Iraq and you and every other Liberal know what it is and has always been, as the Iraqi Army stands up, we stand down and go away.
As for Shaw, Junior went on that ship and said Mojor Combat operations were over! What the hell did you think Our President meant when he said that? He meant we wouldnt be bombing the shit out of Saddam's Palace's repeatedly because they were destroyed! So major airstirkes in the Iraqi Freedom war were over!! Not the ground forces. We have been met with more than Flowers and Candy since we freed the people of Iraq we have seen them enter the voting places and that says more than all the flowers in the world! I am sure what John Glenn a Democrat I remind you meant was, In WW2 we were never atacked by the Germans but we enetered that war with the Germans VOLUNTARILY! What happened with Japan was another story!
marie,
One can parse the words "major combat" all one wants, but the sad facts are that hundreds and hundreds of US soldiers died in combat after Bush's proclamation of "Mission Accomplished."
Today is the 1,050th day of the Iraq war (the 912th day of American participation in World War II was D-Day), and elections notwithstanding, Iraq is still the most dangerous country on the planet, its electricity is not up to where it was pre-war, and hundreds die every week in combat and other violence.
As you witnessed last week, elections do not a democracy make. See Hamas.
As for your comments on the US entering WWII:
There were many reasons, including that Nazi Germany was sinking American supply ships because the US was providing financial and military support to the Allied troops (England, France, China and Russia).
Most importantly, Japan attacked the US naval base at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, without a declaration of war or any warning that hostlities were being commenced, sinking most of the battle fleet.
The day after the attack, December 7th, 1941, President Roosevelt went before the US Congress and asked for a formal declaration of War with Japan in retaliation.
President Roosevelt never asked for war with Italy or Germany before the Congress. Instead, three days after December 7th, Italy and Germany declared war on the United States.
Yes. Junior did say it would be a cakewalk. We'd be met with flowers and candy. And Junior declaared "Mission Accomplished" and end to major combat in May of 2003.
Go read the speech, sunshine! It's a great speech and still stands. President Bush did not say it would be easy. He said in that speech:
"We have difficult work to do in Iraq"
"The transition from dictatorship to democracy will take time"
"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror"
"Our mission continues. Al Qaida is wounded, not destroyed."
Please don't use this silly, irrelevant analogy. Word War II is not the same an the WAR OF CHOICE IN IRAQ.
In your silly opinion. The stakes are just as high today. Maybe even higher. Warfare in the 21st century involves nuclear proliferation and chemical and biological weapons as potential dangers to civilization. Iraq is one battlefield in a greater war on terror.
Osama bin Laden and his ilk have been at war with us for years; we just didn't take it seriously until 9/11.
We were attacked at Pearl Harbor in WWII. Iraq did not attack us on September 11. Period. The president's on Commission on 9/11 said there was no connection between Saddam and Al Qaeda and that Saddam did not have the capability to strike us with or without nuclear weapons.
That is not what the 9/11 Commission reported. It's an incomplete mischaracterization. Selective hearing by those wishing to create Leftist talking points. Go read the entire thing.
The case against Iraq was not based upon saying Iraq attacked us on 9/11. As far as no connection between Saddam and al Qaeda, that is one of the myths perpetuated by the mainstream left. Look it up. Of course, that means you'll have to crawl out of your liberal bubble and expose yourself to a dose of reality.
No, this doesn't work either, but nice try. Clinton was against the war and legally, just like Big Dick Cheney and the majority of the neo-con, avoided serving. Legally.
On the other hand, your hero, Mr. Bush, was a supporter of the Vietnam war and when asked on his application for the TANG if he would serve overseas, your president put an "x" beside the choice "no."
I'll quote the folks at aerospaceweb.org:
While Bush did not see combat in Vietnam, it is also obvious that he was not seeking a way to avoid the risk of being sent to Vietnam. At the time he was training to be an F102 pilot, ANG units and that aircraft type were based in Vietnam.
Pilots from the unit that he joined were being deployed to Vietnam.
As he was completing training and being certified as a qualified F-102 pilot, Bush's squadron was a likely candidate to be rotated to Vietnam. However, the F-102 was built for a type of air combat that wasn't seen during that conflict, and the plane was withdrawn from southeast Asia in December 1969.
Over 90% of our military during Vietnam were not in any real danger. Avoiding service to "save your life" is a myth. Many who wanted to avoid danger, simply joined the Navy or Air Force. President Bush didn't have to attend flight school but he did. The F-102 fighter for which President Bush trained to fly, was one of the more dangerous fighters of the 60's.
One can parse the words "major combat" all one wants, but the sad facts are that hundreds and hundreds of US soldiers died in combat after Bush's proclamation of "Mission Accomplished."
It's not parsing words. At the time, the war was over. What's going on now is an insurgency, with terrorist acts being committed against the Iraqi citizens themselves.
and elections notwithstanding, Iraq is still the most dangerous country on the planet, its electricity is not up to where it was pre-war, and hundreds die every week in combat and other violence.
Last year, the total number of US military casualties was 846; in 2005 as well, the number of homicides in the Los Angeles area totaled 860. What of it? If you want the violence to stop, we should all be working toward being pro-victory for Iraq. The insurgency problem is concentrated in only about 3 or 4 of the what? 18 provinces? And not just electricity, but the sewage system and a lot of other things weren't working right, pre-war. Things are getting better. But the good news gets under-reported or gets ignored entirely. Progress is being made all the time, but you choose to blow it off.
If you destroy liberty to defend America, then what are you fighting for?
Please elaborate anon. I'd like to know how liberty is being destroyed.
Shaw what do you mean "One can parse the words Major Combat all one wants"? When President Bush delared Major Combat was over that's exactly what he meant the Major Part of it! We had taken Baghdad, bombed just about every hideout that Saddam could have been hiding in (Who knew he would be down in a hole in the ground) saved the oil capacity, knowing that's the last thing Saddam pulled off in Kuwaiit set all thier oil fields on fire and scorched the earth taboot! Chased his regime all over Iraq till we got them, etc. Wordsmith is right, go read some of the things that Bush actually said.
And I would also like to know Anon,
What on earth are you talking about?
The best thing about Bush being president, you'll never feel dumb.
True Semper, he can get a blog and come back with a real name.
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